Pressure due to molecular velocity problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem in thermodynamics related to calculating the pressure exerted by hydrogen molecules striking a wall. The problem involves parameters such as molecular mass, the number of molecules, their speed, and the angle of impact.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate pressure using momentum change but is struggling to arrive at the correct solution after multiple attempts. Some participants suggest considering the change in momentum of the molecules and the appropriate velocity component for calculations. Others raise questions about the use of area versus length in the pressure formula.

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Participants are actively exploring different aspects of the problem, including the correct application of formulas and the necessary parameters for calculation. There is no explicit consensus on the approach, but hints and suggestions have been provided to guide the original poster's reasoning.

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The original poster expresses confusion regarding the use of area in the pressure calculation and notes the lack of information about the length required for the formula. This indicates potential constraints in the problem setup that are being discussed.

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Hey guys,

I am having a little problem with a problem I am doing in Physics (thermo chapter).

Well, here is the problem:

"The mass of the H2 molecule is 3.3e24 g. If 10e23 H2 molecules per second strike 2.0 cm^2 of wall at an angle of 55° with the normal when moving with a speed of 1.7 10e5 cm/s, what pressure in Pascals do they exert on the wall?"

I have attempted this problem numerous times for atleast 2 hours and 45 minutes and have not been able to get the correct solution.

I keep on getting 2.51e5 Pa but it is not correct.

If anyone could shed some light on this problem, I would greatly appreciate it! I am more interested as to how you arrive to the solution rather that just an answer.

thanks,
joe:smile:
 
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Show how you arrived at your answer. (Hint: Consider the change in momentum of the molecules as they bounce off the wall.)
 
The value of the velocity that is used during momentum calculation is the velocity in the x direction which would be :

Vx = 170 m/s * cos (55 degrees)
I converted the velocity from centimeters to meters
(velocity in centimeters = 170000 cm/s)


and the pressure exerted is:
P = [ n*m*(Na) / L^3 ] * Vx^2

where
n is the number of moles
m is the mass of the molecules
Na is Avogadro's number
Vx is the calculation above

However, I just realized that the L is the length and I was using the area that is given to me in the problem. But how can I find the pressure if I do not have the length of one side?

thanks
 
[tex]N\Delta p=F\Delta T=F[/tex]

where [tex]p[/tex] is the momentum

The pressure is [tex]P=\frac{F}{1m^2}=F[/tex]

You just need to calculate the [tex]\Delta p[/tex][/color]
 
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