Pressure Question -- How do you get P = ρgh?

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the equation P = ρgh, which relates pressure to fluid density, gravitational acceleration, and height of the fluid column. The scope includes theoretical explanations and mathematical reasoning related to hydrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest considering a force balance on a volume of fluid to derive the equation.
  • One participant references a control volume analysis of an infinitesimally small cube of fluid to explain hydrostatic pressure, emphasizing that pressure is defined as force per unit area.
  • Another participant notes that the hydrostatic pressure can be simplified under certain assumptions, such as constant density for incompressible liquids and neglecting the variation of gravitational acceleration over small heights.
  • Several participants present a step-by-step mathematical derivation of the equation, showing the relationship between force, area, and the weight of the fluid column.
  • One participant emphasizes that the formulation holds regardless of the shape of the vessel or whether the area is constant.

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Participants present various approaches to deriving the equation, but there is no consensus on a single method or explanation. Multiple viewpoints and derivations remain in the discussion.

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Some limitations include assumptions about fluid incompressibility and the neglect of gravitational variation, which may not hold in all scenarios.

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How do you get P = ρgh?
 
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Consider a volume of material and make a force balance.
Or look it up in a textbook at high school level
 
The equation you've referenced is a simplified fundamental hydrostatics equation, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatics#Hydrostatic_pressure

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The hydrostatic pressure can be determined from a control volume analysis of an infinitesimally small cube of fluid. Since pressure is defined as the force exerted on a test area (p = F/A, with p: pressure, F: force normal to area A, A: area), and the only force acting on any such small cube of fluid is the weight of the fluid column above it, hydrostatic pressure can be calculated according to the following formula...

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For water and other liquids, this integral can be simplified significantly for many practical applications, based on the following two assumptions: Since many liquids can be considered incompressible, a reasonably good estimation can be made from assuming a constant density throughout the liquid. (The same assumption cannot be made within a gaseous environment.) Also, since the height h of the fluid column between z and z0 is often reasonably small compared to the radius of the Earth, one can neglect the variation of g. Under these circumstances, the integral is simplified into the formula...
 
P = \frac{F}{A} = \frac{mg}{A} = \frac{(\rho V)g}{A} = \rho g \frac{V}{A} = \rho gh
 
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P = \frac{F}{A} = \frac{mg}{A} = \frac{(\rho V)g}{A} = \rho g \frac{V}{A} = \rho gh

Or, in words, divide the weight of a column of liquid (with constant cross-sectional area A) by the area at the bottom of the column (again, A). Even though this formulation doesn't prove it, the answer is the same whether or not the area is constant, or even the actual shape of the vessel.
 
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