Primes as roots of same function

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The discussion explores the possibility of defining a function whose roots correspond to prime numbers. Participants examine various mathematical expressions and relationships, particularly involving infinite products and the Riemann zeta function, while addressing convergence issues and the implications of different formulations.

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  • One participant proposes a function defined as f(x)=\prod_{p}(1-xp^{-s}) and suggests it relates to the Riemann zeta function, noting the challenge of computing the function \mu(x).
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the convergence of f(x), stating it only converges at x=0 and suggests the need for exponential terms in the formulation.
  • A different participant claims to have proven that \prod_{p}(1-xp^{-s})^{-1}=Li_{s}(x), but this assertion is challenged by another participant who points out inconsistencies when evaluating at x=0 and the implications of expanding the left-hand side using geometric series.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of the proposed function and the validity of the mathematical relationships presented. There is no consensus on the correctness of the claims made regarding the function f(x) and its properties.

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Participants highlight limitations regarding the convergence of the proposed functions and the conditions under which the mathematical expressions hold. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the behavior of the functions involved.

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It,s proven that there can not be any Polynomial that gives all the primes..but could exist a function to its roots are precisely the primes 8or related to them) if we write:

[tex]f(x)=\prod_{p}(1-xp^{-s})=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{\mu(n)}{n^{s}}x^{n}[/tex]

wher for x=1 you get the classical relationship between the Riemann zeta function and the product of primes as you can see the equation above for x=p^{s} for p prime is 0 the problem is that due to we have to know the function \mu(x) this function is not computable using Abel,s sum formula:

[tex]ln[f(s)]/s=x\int_{2}^{\infty}dt\frac{\pi(t)}{t(t^{s}-x)}[/tex]

and although is not perhaps completely correct i think [tex]f(x)=x/Li_{s}(x)[/tex]
 
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I think f(x) doesn't converge at all, except at x = 0. (I was interested in a similar expression once, but I wanted zeroes at all the positive integers)


So, I suspect you'll need some exponential terms to get something that converges. Maybe something like:

[tex] \prod_{i = 1}^{+\infty} (1 - x / p_i) e^{x / p_i}[/tex]

The general exponential term in an infinite product can be more complicated, but the simplest nontrivial term was good enough for my purposes.
 
well using the same trick by Euler..i managed to prove that:

[tex]\prod_{p}(1-xp^{-s})^{-1}=Li_{s}(x)[/tex]

where necessarily [tex]|xp^{-s}|<1[/tex]and LI is the Polylogarithm..if we extend the radius of convergence of Polylogarithm to |x|>1 we could get that p^{s} for p prime is a root of the function 1/Li for a certain s.
 
eljose said:
well using the same trick by Euler..i managed to prove that:

[tex]\prod_{p}(1-xp^{-s})^{-1}=Li_{s}(x)[/tex]

I don't think you did. Take x=0, the left hand side will be 1, the right hand side will be 0.

If you expand the terms of the left hand side using geometric series, you get a product over primes of sums 1+(x/p^s)+(x/p^s)^2+... If you expand this product (taking care when this is valid), the power of x that appears with 1/n^s is not in general going to be n like you would need to equal the polylogarithm. It will be the sum of the exponents appearing in the prime decomposition of n.
 

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