Principle of least action used to predict particle movement?

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The discussion revolves around the principle of least action and its application in predicting particle motion within the context of classical and quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical abstraction of the principle and its equivalence to Newtonian mechanics, as well as its utility in formulating theories.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the principle of least action and its application to particle motion.
  • Another participant describes the principle as mathematically abstract but useful for formulating theories, noting its equivalence to Newtonian mechanics and its necessity in solving certain problems like the Brachistochrone problem.
  • A detailed explanation of the principle is provided, including the definition of action and the Lagrangian, along with the process of using calculus of variations to derive Newtonian equations of motion.
  • A later reply confirms that the principle can be used in place of equations of motion for dynamics problems in both classical and quantum mechanics.

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Participants generally agree on the utility of the principle of least action in physics, but there is no consensus on the intuitive understanding of the principle, as one participant expresses difficulty in grasping it.

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The discussion highlights the mathematical abstraction of the principle and its dependence on specific formulations, such as the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations, without resolving the complexities involved in understanding these concepts.

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I am having a tough time understanding the principle of least action and I would really appreciate it if someone would clear it up for me. And from what I understand from it, it can be used to predict particle motion?
 
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The principle of least action is not really that intuitive. It is highly useful in physics because it allows one to formulate theories from scratch pretty readily, but it is more mathematically abstract than, say, a Newtonian picture of forces and accelerations. But the two pictures are equivalent and certain problems are only possible to solve using the "least action" formulation of Newtonian mechanics--the famous example is the Brachistochrone problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachistochrone_problem . Furthermore, theories that go beyond Newtonian mechanics, like quantum field theory, are formulated using the "least action" formulation. In classical mechanics you run into two (equivalent) versions of the "least action" formulation: the Lagrangian formulation and the Hamiltonian formulation.

Let me attempt to explain the principle of least action and the technique of using it to derive the Newtonian equations of motion. First, the definition of action is S = ∫ T-V dt, where T is the kinetic energy of the system and V is the potential energy. We call the quantity T-V=:L, the Lagrangian.

The principle of least action says that if a system evolves from a given initial state to a given final state, the trajectory it will take will be the one which minimizes (or in some cases maximizes) the value of S. In classical mechanics, one can show that this reproduces all the Newtonian equations of motion if you "vary" the integral using a mathematical technique called calculus of variations. Calculus of variations basically says--"let me determine a path for the particle to take between the initial state to the final state such that any small deviation from this path increases S". If you formulate this all correctly you get a description equivalent to Newton's laws. A similar but somewhat more sophisticated procedure applies to quantum theories as well.
 
Thanks for the help.
 
The Principle of Least Action can indeed be used in place of the equations of motion to solve dynamics problems in classical (and quantum) mechanics. See one of the sections in "Principle of Least Action" on Scholarpedia
 

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