Probabilities involved in picking three numbers

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The discussion revolves around the probabilities associated with picking three numbers from the digits 0-9, addressing various scenarios such as distinct numbers, repeated numbers, and the implications of order. The scope includes theoretical probability calculations and interpretations of outcomes in a lottery-like context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the probability of picking three distinct numbers is calculated using combinations, suggesting a value of 120.
  • Others argue about the total probability for picking any three numbers, with one participant suggesting it should be 220/1000 based on their reasoning of distinct, two of the same, and all the same cases.
  • One participant claims that the probability of picking two of the same numbers is 90, based on the combinations of selecting two identical numbers and one different.
  • A later reply questions the phrasing of the original questions and proposes a new approach to calculating probabilities in a lottery scenario, including distinct and repeated numbers.
  • Participants discuss the implications of drawing with and without replacement, with proposed probabilities varying based on these conditions.
  • Some participants highlight that the probability of picking any three numbers is always 1, as any selection of three numbers will result in a valid outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of probabilities, with no consensus reached on the correct values or methods. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are ambiguities in the phrasing of the questions, and some calculations depend on interpretations of the problem, such as whether numbers are drawn with or without replacement. The discussion includes various assumptions that are not universally accepted.

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There are three questions:

1. What is the probability of picking three distinct numbers (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, ex: 123)

2. What is the probability of picking any three numbers in any order (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, examples: 111,112,123)

3. What is the probability of picking two of the same numbers in any order (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, examples 112,221,332)

My thoughts so far:

Question 1: I was thinking 10 c 3 and so it would be 120.

Question 2: The 'ask a scientist' website states that the answer is 120/1000. I disagree, I think it should be 220/1000 (a numerator greater than 120 at least, I may have got the 220 figure wrong).
My reasoning: Any three numbers could be three distinct, two of the same or all the same. Three distinct would be the 120, two of the same I think would be 90 and all the same would be 10. Giving a 220 total.

Question 3: This question is a part of question 2. I think it is 90 based on that fact that for each case of two numbers the same (10) there are 9 possibilities in each for the third number and so 9x10 = 90 possible ways of choosing two numbers the same.
 
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A probability is a number between 0 and 1. All of your answers should be between 0 and 1.

Question 1: there are 10 c 3 ways of picking three distinct numbers, but what is the probability?

Question 2: this answer is just 1. It is always true, when picking three numbers, that 3 numbers are picked in some order.
 
My apologies, on rereading they were quite poorly phrased questions and I was mixing up questions.

If you don't mind I'll start afresh:

1. In a 3 ball lottery, where the ball is replaced after it is drawn, what is the probability of picking the correct number (the ordering does not matter, i.e. if you pick the same three numbers in any order then you win)?

I think it will depend on repeating numbers:

if you pick three distinct numbers P(x,y,z) = 3!/1000
if you pick two distinct numbers P(x,y,x) = 3/1000
if you pick three identical numbers P(x,x,x) = 1/1000

2. Under the same conditions, what is the probability the three numbers drawn are distinct?

Proposed answer: 720/1000

3. Under the same conditions, what is the probability the three numbers have two repeats (xyx)?

Proposed answer: 270/1000

4. Under the same conditions, what is the probability the three numbers drawn are the same?

Proposed answer: 10/1000

5. As you correctly pointed out, the probability of any of the above three would be 1.

6. Lastly, if the balls are not replaced after being drawn then what is the probability of picking the correct number?

Proposed answer: 1/720
 
smckech said:
There are three questions:

1. What is the probability of picking three distinct numbers (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, ex: 123)

2. What is the probability of picking any three numbers in any order (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, examples: 111,112,123)

3. What is the probability of picking two of the same numbers in any order (order does not matter)? (digits 0-9, examples 112,221,332)

My thoughts so far:

Question 1: I was thinking 10 c 3 and so it would be 120.

Question 2: The 'ask a scientist' website states that the answer is 120/1000. I disagree, I think it should be 220/1000 (a numerator greater than 120 at least, I may have got the 220 figure wrong).
My reasoning: Any three numbers could be three distinct, two of the same or all the same. Three distinct would be the 120, two of the same I think would be 90 and all the same would be 10. Giving a 220 total.

Question 3: This question is a part of question 2. I think it is 90 based on that fact that for each case of two numbers the same (10) there are 9 possibilities in each for the third number and so 9x10 = 90 possible ways of choosing two numbers the same.
Your questions are ambiguous.
(1) The "probability of picking three distinct digits when you pick three digits" is (1)(9/10)(8/10)= 72/100= 0.72. The "probability that the number chosen, when choosing three distinct numbers is a specific such number is (1/10)(1/9)(1/8)= 1/720.

(2) The "probability of picking a three digit number" by picking 3 digits at random, is, strictly speaking, 1- any three digit number will do. The probability of picking a specific three digit number is (1/10)(1/10)(1/10)= 1/1000=0.001
 

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