Probability current density of a stationary state

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of probability current density in stationary states of quantum systems, specifically in the context of a finite difference program solving the 1D time-independent Schrödinger equation. Participants explore the implications of stationary states on current density and the conditions under which it may be non-zero.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their finite difference program for solving the Schrödinger equation and expresses confusion about calculating probability current density, noting that the program returns a real function.
  • Another participant explains that in stationary states, the probability density is time-independent, leading to the conclusion that the probability current density can be zero.
  • Some participants question how a stationary state could have a non-zero current density, emphasizing that they are not interested in cases where the current density is zero.
  • It is suggested that to obtain a non-zero current density, the program should be modified to allow for more general solutions, implying that certain stationary states inherently have zero current density.
  • A participant asks how to demonstrate that the particle current density vanishes for stationary states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of current density in stationary states, with some asserting that it is typically zero while others challenge this notion and seek conditions under which it might be non-zero. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of non-zero current density in stationary states.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the conditions that lead to non-zero current density in stationary states, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and implications of current density in this context.

Thomas Rigby
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How do I calculate the probability current density for a solution of the time-independent Schrodinger equation?
I have written a finite difference program to solve 1D time-independent Schrödinger equation. It seems to work correctly for harmonic oscillator, particle in a box, etc. But I can't figure out how to calculate the probability current density. It should be constant, but what is it? The program returns a real function, so I can't use the usual formula for current density. And I don't know how to get the velocity so I can't use density times velocity.

I will post this question as is. If it needs more clarification, then I will add it.
 
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Why do you think, there's something wrong? In a stationary state the probability density ##\rho=\psi^* \psi## is time-independent for an energy eigenstate ##\psi## (that's why the energy eigenstates are the stationary states of the system). Thus the only constraint from unitarity, ##\partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{j}=\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{j}=0##, i.e., ##\vec{j}=0## is not a priori wrong :-).
 
I am not interested in the trivial cases where j=0.
 
Thomas Rigby said:
I am not interested in the trivial cases where j=0.
How could a stationary state have ##j \neq 0##?
 
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DrClaude said:
How could a stationary state have ##j \neq 0##?

Plane wave in free space.
 
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Thomas Rigby said:
The program returns a real function, so I can't use the usual formula for current density.
You can use it and the result is 0. Many stationary states have j=0. For instance, the ground state often has j=0.

If you want to get nonzero j, you should modify your program to allow for more general solutions.
 
How do you show that the particle current density J vanishes for a stationary states.
 

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