Probability density expansion

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the probability density expansion for a wave function constrained to a compact set in the context of the free Schrödinger Equation. Participants explore the implications of initial conditions on the wave function and seek suitable mathematical representations for analysis.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the probability density ##\rho(d,t)=|\Psi(d,t)|^2## for a point outside a compact initial localization of the wave function.
  • Another participant suggests expressing the initial wave function as a distribution of free-particle states and applying time evolution, acknowledging the potential complexity of this approach.
  • There is a search for an initial wave function that is "Fourier friendly" to simplify the transformation process, with a specific interest in avoiding messy calculations.
  • The classical Gaussian wave function is mentioned as a common example, though it is noted that it does not have compact support and fills the entirety of space initially.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of using an indicator function due to its non-differentiability at the edges, which may violate the conditions of the Schrödinger Equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of various initial wave functions, particularly regarding the trade-offs between mathematical simplicity and the requirement for compact support. No consensus is reached on a definitive approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the differentiability of certain functions and the challenges of finding a closed-form solution for the time-evolved wave function.

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This is probably a stupid question but i don't want to make a stupid mistake here, so i thought better ask: I'm starting with the simple free Schrödinger Equation ##V(x)=0## (can be 1 dim) and an initial condition where the wave function is somehow constrained to be entirely localized around a compact set (let it be a sphere) ##S## around ##x=0## and let ##\Psi(x,0)=0## everywhere else. Just like a Gaussian wave package this wave function should disperse over time.

What's the easiest way to calculate ##\rho(d,t)=|\Psi(d,t)|^2## for an arbitrarily distant point ##d## outside ##S##?

I don't think i an can assume ##\Psi## to initially take the form of an indicator function since it's not differentiable around the edges and right now no other function with compact support comes into my mind that is easy to decompose into ##|p>## states for that matter. something like ##exp(\frac {1} {x^2-1})## in ##[-1; +1]## doesn't seem to be particularly friendly with Fourier transform.
 
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Killtech said:
This is probably a stupid question but i don't want to make a stupid mistake here, so i thought better ask: I'm starting with the simple free Schrödinger Equation ##V(x)=0## (can be 1 dim) and an initial condition where the wave function is somehow constrained to be entirely localized around a compact set (let it be a sphere) ##S## around ##x=0## and let ##\Psi(x,0)=0## everywhere else. Just like a Gaussian wave package this wave function should disperse over time.

What's the easiest way to calculate ##\rho(d,t)=|\Psi(d,t)|^2## for an arbitrarily distant point ##d## outside ##S##?

I don't think i an can assume ##\Psi## to initially take the form of an indicator function since it's not differentiable around the edges and right now no other function with compact support comes into my mind that is easy to decompose into ##|p>## states for that matter. something like ##exp(\frac {1} {x^2-1})## in ##[-1; +1]## doesn't seem to be particularly friendly with Fourier transform.

If you have a free particle with an initial wave-function that is known and is zero outside ##[-1, 1]##, then technically you express that initial wave-function as a distribution of free-particle states and apply time evolution. In general, that will get messy I imagine.
 
PeroK said:
If you have a free particle with an initial wave-function that is known and is zero outside ##[-1, 1]##, then technically you express that initial wave-function as a distribution of free-particle states and apply time evolution. In general, that will get messy I imagine.
that much i know, hence the "What's the easiest way" in my question ^^. Looking for a Fourier friendly initial function to have the least mess possible, especially when transforming the time developed thing back.
 
Killtech said:
that much i know, hence the "What's the easiest way" in my question ^^. Looking for a Fourier friendly initial function to have the least mess possible, especially when transforming the time developed thing back.

The classical example is the initial Gaussian. There are not many, I suspect, that result in a closed-form solution.
 
PeroK said:
The classical example is the initial Gaussian. There are not many, I suspect, that result in a closed-form solution.
I know, but the Gaussian does not have compact support but instead already fills the entirety of space right from the start. I could take the Fourier transform of an indicator function but not sure if that is a valid case given that its initial state violates Schrödinger by not being differentiable at the edges.
 
Killtech said:
I know, but the Gaussian does not have compact support but instead already fills the entirety of space right from the start.

That's the price you pay for (relative) mathematical simplicity.
 

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