Probability density for the hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around the probability density of the hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the superposition of wave functions and their implications for normalization and representation in the xy-plane.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the wave functions and their squared magnitudes, questioning the correctness of their expressions. There is discussion about the normalization of the wave function and its representation in a graphical context.

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Homework Statement
Consider a superposition state |Ψ⟩ = (|2, 0, 0⟩ + |2, 1, 0⟩) of the hydrogen atom.
a) Calculate the probability density at t = 0 and sketch the function in the (xy) plane.
b) Calculate ⟨Ψ|r|Ψ⟩ and mark on the graph the expected value of the position obtained in part (a). Interpret your result.
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I'm not certain about the equations
I did this and I don't know if it's correct:
prob.jpeg
 
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So sorry, now i tried to include my attempt.
(English is not my first language)
 
wakaranai said:
So sorry, now i tried to include my attempt.
(English is not my first language)
If ##\psi = \psi_1 + \psi_2##. Which of these is correct?
$$|\psi|^2 = |\psi_1|^2 + |\psi_2|^2$$$$|\psi|^2 = (\psi_1 + \psi_2)(\psi_1^* + \psi_2^*) = |\psi_1|^2 + |\psi_2|^2 + \psi_1\psi_2^* + \psi_2 \psi_1^* $$
 
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PeroK said:
If ##\psi = \psi_1 + \psi_2##. Which of these is correct?
$$|\psi|^2 = |\psi_1|^2 + |\psi_2|^2$$$$|\psi|^2 = (\psi_1 + \psi_2)(\psi_1^* + \psi_2^*) = |\psi_1|^2 + |\psi_2|^2 + \psi_1\psi_2^* + \psi_2 \psi_1^* $$
the second one...
in this case ψ_1=ψ*_1 (and the same for ψ_2)?
 
wakaranai said:
the second one...
in this case ψ_1=ψ*_1 (and the same for ψ_2)?
Yes, those particular wave functions are real-valued.

Note also that the wave-function you have been given is not normalised:
wakaranai said:
Consider a superposition state |Ψ⟩ = (|2, 0, 0⟩ + |2, 1, 0⟩) of the hydrogen atom.
That wavefunction has a modulus squared of ##2##. I would have expected:
$$\ket \psi = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\big (\ket {2,0,0} + \ket {2,1,0} \big )$$
 
PeroK said:
Yes, those particular wave functions are real-valued.

Note also that the wave-function you have been given is not normalised:

That wavefunction has a modulus squared of ##2##. I would have expected:
$$\ket \psi = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\big (\ket {2,0,0} + \ket {2,1,0} \big )$$
prob2.jpeg


I don't know how to relate the result with the plot in xy plane
 
wakaranai said:
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I don't know how to relate the result with the plot in xy plane
You seem to have got a lot of simplification for your final answer. Are you sure about that? I would expect the result to be messy.

Note that, in the x-y plane, we have ##\cos \theta = 0##. That should simplify things. Even so, sketching that function wouldn't be easy!
 
PeroK said:
You seem to have got a lot of simplification for your final answer. Are you sure about that? I would expect the result to be messy.

Note that, in the x-y plane, we have ##\cos \theta = 0##. That should simplify things. Even so, sketching that function wouldn't be easy!
So |Ψ|^2 = |Ψ_1|^2
 
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wakaranai said:
So |Ψ|^2 = |Ψ_1|^2
Looks like it.
 

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