Probability density of an exponential probability function

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The discussion revolves around the probability density function (pdf) of a spherically symmetric model that follows an exponential law. Participants explore the implications of a singularity at the origin and the normalization of the probability density, as well as the potential for convolution with Gaussian distributions. The conversation includes both analytical and numerical approaches to handling these issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a model where the probability density function is derived from an exponential law, highlighting the singularity at the origin as a challenge.
  • Another participant questions the expressions used for the cumulative probability and the pdf, suggesting that the definitions may not align.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the relationship between the cumulative probability function P(r) and the probability density function p(r), with discussions on normalization and the correct formulation of these functions.
  • There is a proposal that if p(r) is defined as the pdf, it should be expressed without the 4πr² factor, leading to further confusion about the definitions used.
  • Concerns are raised about the integration of the pdf from r=0 to infinity being undefined, questioning its validity as a probability density function.
  • Participants discuss the need for precise definitions of the distribution function being sought, indicating a lack of clarity in the initial statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between the cumulative probability function and the probability density function. There is no consensus on the correct formulation or handling of the singularity at the origin, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions used for the probability functions, and the discussion reveals dependencies on the interpretation of these functions. The normalization of the probability density function and the implications of the singularity at the origin are also unresolved.

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I have a model where the probability is spherically symmetric and follows an exponential law. Now I need the probability density function of this model. The problem is the singularity at the origin. How can I handle this?

P(r) = ∫p(r) dr = exp(-μr)
p(r) = dP(r)/(4πr²dr)

One way I tried to handle this is numerically in Matlab by having the probability at 0 such that the total probability is 1. The problem there is that this depends highly on the mesh you chose, because of the steepness of the pdf close to the origin.

Is there a mathematical way to handle this analytically?

Afterwards I need to combine this pdf with different gaussians in a convolution to get a combined probability map. Obviously I would love to extend this to non-isotropic in carthesian coordinates as a final step. Can this be done with homothety?
 
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Could you clarify p(r). The expressions don't seem to agree.
 
p(r) is the pdf I want to calculate starting from P(r). What is wrong with the expressions?
 
P(r) is not ∫p(r)dr. P(r)dr = ∫p(r)dV between r and r+dr, i.e. P(r)dr = 4πr2p(r)dr
i.e. P(r) = 4πr2p(r), or p(r) = P(r)/4πr2
Note that your P(r) is not normalised.
 
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Thanks for the correction. I haven't done any real mathematics in years, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot.

1-P(r) is the cummulative probability for the sphere of radius r.

p(r) = P(r)/4πr2 and the singularity at r=0 is a problem. I need to convolve this pdf with a guassian pdf.
 
Oh right, I misunderstood you. I assumed p(r) was the pdf (i.e. p(r)dV is the probability of being in a volume element dV) and P(r) was the radial probability function (i.e. P(r)dr is the probability of being between r and r+dr).
Now you say 1-P(r) is the cumulative probability of being within a sphere of radius r. In that case e-μr is acceptable, it doesn't need to be normalised.
Now what do you mean by p(r)? Is it the pdf, as defined above? Or is it the differential radial probability function, which I though you meant by P(r) before?
If the latter, then p(r) = -dP(r)/dr = μe-μr. No 4πr2 factor.
If the former, let's call it q(r), then q(r) = p(r)/4πr2
 
But if the pdf is: μe-μr/4πr2, then the integral r=0 to infinity is undefined, where it should be unity if it is a pdf.
 
The pdf is not integrated from r = 0 to infinity; it is integrated over the whole volume. With spherical symmetry, ∫pdV = ∫p4πr2dr, which is easily integrable.
That is, if you mean the volume probability density function - the probability of being in a volume element dV; equivalent to ΨΨ* in the case of an atomic orbital.
If you meant the radial probability density function - the probability of being between r and r+dr - then this function is just μe-μr, as stated above.
The problem is that you have never stated precisely what distribution function you are looking for.
 
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