Deriving Probability Amplitude from Markov Density Function

In summary, the conversation discusses the Markov state density function ##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1}))## and its relation to probability amplitudes ##\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}}## and ##\psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}}##. It is shown that if ##\textbf{r}_{n-1} = \textbf{r}_{n}##, then ##P## can be expressed as the squared magnitude of ##\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}}##. There is a discussion about the notation and its implications for vectors and matrices. The conversation ends with a question about
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1. Given a Markov state density function:
## P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) ##

##P## describes the probability of transitioning from a state at ## \textbf{r}_{n-1}## to a state at ##\textbf{r}_{n} ##. If ## \textbf{r}_{n-1} = \textbf{r}_{n}##, then ##P## describes the probability of the state at ##\textbf{r}_{n}## transitioning to itself.

2. A probability density function can be decomposed into probability amplitudes, where the probability density function ##P## is the product of a probability amplitude ##\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}} ## and the complex modulus of second probability amplitude ##\psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} ## where:
## P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \cdot \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}} ##

Again, if ## \textbf{r}_{n-1} = \textbf{r}_{n}##, then:
## P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \cdot \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}} = |\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}}|^2##

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Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a derivation for #2. Does anyone know where I can find such a derivation?
 
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redtree said:
1. Given a Markov state density function:
## P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) ##

##P## describes the probability of transitioning from a state at ## \textbf{r}_{n-1}## to a state at ##\textbf{r}_{n} ##. If ## \textbf{r}_{n-1} = \textbf{r}_{n}##, then ##P## describes the probability of the state at ##\textbf{r}_{n}## transitioning to itself.

According to that notation, to speak ##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1}))## as a specific number, we must specify a value for each of ##\textbf{r}_{n}## and ##\textbf{r}_{n-1}##. So the notation ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = b | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = a)## represents a specific numerical value.

2. A probability density function can be decomposed into probability amplitudes, where the probability density function ##P## is the product of a probability amplitude ##\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}} ## and the complex modulus of second probability amplitude ##\psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} ## where:
## P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \cdot \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}} ##

It isn't clear what is being claimed. In a Markov process, the values of ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = b | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = a)## and ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = a | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = b) ## may be different. What non-commutative arithmetic does the claim use to allow such a situation to happen?
 
  • #3
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Stephen Tashi said:
According to that notation, to speak ##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1}))## as a specific number, we must specify a value for each of ##\textbf{r}_{n}## and ##\textbf{r}_{n-1}##. So the notation ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = b | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = a) ## represents a specific numerical value.

You are correct if ##\textbf{r}_{n}## and ##\textbf{r}_{n-1}## represent scalars (##a## and ##b##), such that ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = b | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = a) = c##, where ##c## is also a scalar. However, if ##\textbf{r}_{n}## and ##\textbf{r}_{n-1}## are vectors, then ##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1}))## represents a transition probability tensor (transformation matrix). In my understanding, in both cases, ##P## represents a probability density for the transformation.

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Stephen Tashi said:
It isn't clear what is being claimed. In a Markov process, the values of ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = b | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = a)## and ##P( \textbf{r}_{n} = a | \textbf{r}_{n-1} = b)## may be different. What non-commutative arithmetic does the claim use to allow such a situation to happen?

You are correct. I made a notational error. I should have written the following:
##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \otimes \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}}##

In this form, assuming ## \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}}## and ## \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}}## are vectors, the expression does not commute.

Such that, if ##\textbf{r}_{n-1} = \textbf{r}_{n}##, then:
##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \otimes \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}} = |\psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}}|^2##

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And my question remains: Does anyone know where I can find such a derivation for the following:
##P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) = \psi^*_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \otimes \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n-1}}##

Or, am I overthinking the problem, and the answer is simply in the definition of ## \psi##?
 
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Upon further reflection, it seems that the equation should read as follows:
## \psi_{\textbf{r}_{n}} \doteq \sqrt{P((\textbf{r}_{n}| \textbf{r}_{n-1})) }##
 
  • #5
Does the claim comes from derivation that involves physics or is it suppose to be purely a mathematical result?

Assume we have the transition matrix ##M## of a Markov process with a 10 states. What does ##\psi_3## denote? Is it a vector with 10 components, each of which is a complex number?

Is ##\psi^*_3## a vector whose components are the complex conjugates of the components of ##\psi_3## ?
 

What is a Markov density function?

A Markov density function is a mathematical model that describes the behavior of a system in which the probability of a future state only depends on the current state and not on any previous states. It is used to analyze and predict the behavior of dynamic systems, such as stock prices or weather patterns.

What is probability amplitude?

Probability amplitude is a complex number that represents the likelihood of a particular event occurring in quantum mechanics. It is used to calculate the probability of a particle being in a certain state at a given time.

How do you derive probability amplitude from a Markov density function?

To derive probability amplitude from a Markov density function, you first need to apply the Schrödinger equation, which describes how the quantum state of a physical system changes with time. Then, you can use the Markov density function to calculate the probability amplitude for a particular state at a given time.

What is the significance of deriving probability amplitude from a Markov density function?

Deriving probability amplitude from a Markov density function allows us to make predictions about the behavior of quantum systems, which can have applications in technology, such as quantum computing, and in understanding the fundamental laws of the universe.

What are some limitations of using a Markov density function to derive probability amplitude?

One limitation is that it assumes a system is in a stationary state, meaning that its properties do not change over time. It also does not take into account external factors or interactions with other systems, which can affect the accuracy of predictions.

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