Probability Density of Electron in EM & Matter Waves

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electromagnetic (EM) waves and electron matter waves, specifically focusing on the probability density of finding an electron and its connection to the wave function in quantum mechanics (QM). The conversation touches on theoretical implications, interpretations of quantum mechanics, and the mathematical foundations of probability in relation to wave functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the similarity between the intensity of EM waves, which is proportional to the square of the fields, and the probability density of finding an electron, which is proportional to the absolute square of the wave function, questioning the underlying reason for this relationship.
  • Another participant explains that the wave function in QM is complex, and to derive real probabilities, the absolute square of the wave function must be used, as ordinary squaring of complex numbers does not yield real numbers.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, suggesting that not all probabilities behave similarly, highlighting that in statistical mechanics, probabilities can add up, whereas in QM, amplitudes add up, leading to interference and wave-like phenomena.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the topic and references Born's Nobel Prize, implying a significant contribution to understanding the relationship between wave functions and probability densities.
  • Another participant introduces Bohmian mechanics as an alternative interpretation of QM that operates with probabilities instead of amplitudes, suggesting that the quantum state might represent something other than a probability density, such as a wave equation method for calculating stress in space-time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations and understandings of the relationship between wave functions and probability densities, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the use of the absolute square in determining probability densities.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of wave functions and the interpretations of quantum mechanics, which remain unresolved. The mathematical steps connecting the wave function to probability densities are not fully explored.

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I realized that, in EM wave, the intensity is proportional to the sqare of the fileds, and the fileds obey the wave eqation, then the intensity is proportional to the sqaure of the wave eqaution. And in electron matter wave, the probability density to find electron is proportional to the absolute square of wave equation, too. But what is the reason that the probability density to find electron is equal to the absolute square of wave equation?:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
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The wave function in QM is complex. The ordinary square of a complex number is another complex number, in general. But probabilities are real numbers. In order to get real probabilities out of a complex wave function, we need to use the absolute square (or something similar).
 
Not al probabilties are like that.
In statistical mechanics the probabilities can add up.
In QM the amplitude add up, and this only can lead to interference and wave-like phenomena.
 
I had trouble with this also. I thought I was missing something simple until I realized (and correct me if I am wrong) that Born received the Nobel prize for figuring it out.
 
As far as QM goes (as opposed to QFT), it is possible to rewrite the theory to get an equivalent theory that works with probabilities instead of amplitudes. It's called Bohmian mechanics.

For understanding why amplitudes need to be discussed instead of probabilities, one can suppose that the quantum state truly does exist, but not as a probability density. For example, it could be some sort of wave equation method of calculating a stress in space-time. Then the probability postulate just means that the actual result is random, but is proportional to how much stress that is aligned with that result.
 

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