Probability: No Couples Standing Next to Each Other in 2/3 Couple Lines

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability that no couples are standing next to each other in a line, specifically for scenarios involving 2 and 3 couples. The original poster presents their reasoning and calculations for both cases, seeking clarification on the correct probability outcomes.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate probabilities for arrangements of couples, presenting two different methods for the case of three couples. Participants question the accuracy of the counting methods used, particularly regarding the options available at each position in the line.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback and questioning the counting methods. There is a recognition of potential errors in the original reasoning, and some participants express a desire for a more efficient approach to the problem.

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, what is the probability that no husband and wife are standing next to each other if:
there are 2 couples are standing in a line?
there are 3 couples are standing in a line?
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for 2 couples, my options are A,A',B,B' (where A and A' are a couple)

1st place (A/A'/B/B') => 4 options - say A is in 1st place...
2nd place (B/B') => 2 options - say B is in 2nd place...
3rd place (A') => 1 option
4th place (B') => 1 option

4*2*1*1=8 options that no husband and wife are standing next to one another.
4!=24 ways to place 4 people in a line

8/24=1/3
P(no couples)=1/3
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now for the 2nd case where there are 3 couples

1st place (A/A'/B/B'/C/C') => 6 options - say A is in 1st place...
2nd place (B/B'/C/C') => 4 options - say B is in 2nd place...
3rd place (A'/C/C') => 3 options - say C is in 3rd place...
4th place (A'/B') => 2 options - say A' is in 4th place...
5th place (B'/C') => 2 options - say B' is in 5th place...
6th place (C') => 1 option

6*4*3*2*2=288 options

<<OR>>

1st place (A/A'/B/B'/C/C') => 6 options - say A is in 1st place...
2nd place (B/B'/C/C') => 4 options - say B is in 2nd place...
3rd place (A'/C/C') => 3 options - say A' is in 3rd place...
4th place (C/C') => 2 options - say C is in 4th place...
5th place (B') => 1 option
6th place (C') => 1 option

6*4*3*2= 144 options

there are 6! ways to arrange the 6 people in the line

P(no couples)= (288+144)/6!=3/5


BUT THE CORRECT ANSWER IS ALSO MEANT TO BE 1/3
 
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Hi Dell! :smile:

(I'm not sure that's the quickest way to do it, but anyway …)
Dell said:
3rd place (A'/C/C') => 3 options - say C is in 3rd place...

3rd place (A'/C/C') => 3 options - say A' is in 3rd place...

No, in the first line, there are only 2 options, and in the second line only 1 option. :wink:
 
how so? could i not choose any of the 3??

how would you have solved the problem?
 
Dell said:
how so? could i not choose any of the 3??

No, because by doing that, you've counted those 3 ways twice

you can only count things once!

you must count 2 of them the first way, and the other 1 the second way. :wink:

You need to convince yourself of this! :smile:
 
okay, i see what you are saying, all together there are 3 options, and counted them as 6,

how would you have gona about solving the problem
 
Dell said:
how would you have gona about solving the problem

dunno :redface:

but it looks unnecessarily long, so if I had the time, I'd try to find something neater. :smile:
 

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