Probability of choosing stale donuts out of 24

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating probabilities related to stale donuts in a set of 24, specifically focusing on the likelihood of selecting a certain number of stale donuts from a sample of 10. The subject area pertains to probability theory and combinatorial analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of permutations versus combinations for calculating probabilities. The original poster attempts to apply permutations but later realizes combinations are more appropriate. There are questions about the correctness of their initial calculations and reasoning.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative calculations using combinations, suggesting that these new approaches yield different results. The discussion reflects a shift in understanding towards the hypergeometric distribution, with references made to its application in the problem context.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the original poster's initial attempts were based on permutations, which were deemed incorrect, leading to a reconsideration of the problem setup and assumptions regarding the selection process.

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Homework Statement


There are 6 stale donuts in a set of 24. What is the probability of:
a) there being no stale donuts in a sample of 10?
b) there being 3 stale donuts in a sample of 10?
c) What is the chance of a stale doughnut being found?

Homework Equations


N \, permutations = N!

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##X## denote the number of stale donuts in a set of 10.

a) I used the idea of permutations like so:
P(X = 0) = \frac{\frac{18!}{8!}}{\frac{24!}{15!}} \approx 0.335
This was incorrect, according to the testing software

b) Here I followed the same idea:
P(X=3) = \frac{\frac{18!}{11!} \times \frac{6!}{3!}}{\frac{24!}{15!}} \approx 0.041

c) This is just the complement of part ##a##:

P(X \, is \, at \, least \, 1) = 1 - 0.061 = 0.665

Parts ##a## and ##b## (and ##c## as a consequence of ##a## being wrong) are apparently wrong and I'm not sure what's wrong with my reasoning.
 
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I was completely wrong. I was supposed to use combinations instead:

a) P(X = 0) = \frac{18 \choose 10}{24 \choose 10} =39/1748 \approx 0.22

b) P(X = 3) = \frac{{18 \choose 7} \times {6 \choose 3}}{{24 \choose 10}} =1560/4807 \approx 0.325

c) P(X \text{ is at least } 1) = 1 - P(X = 0) = 1709/1748 \approx 0.987
 
TheSodesa said:
I was completely wrong. I was supposed to use combinations instead:

a) P(X = 0) = \frac{18 \choose 10}{24 \choose 10} =39/1748 \approx 0.22

b) P(X = 3) = \frac{{18 \choose 7} \times {6 \choose 3}}{{24 \choose 10}} =1560/4807 \approx 0.325

c) P(X \text{ is at least } 1) = 1 - P(X = 0) = 1709/1748 \approx 0.987

These are all correct, now. As Buzz Bloom has stated, you are using the so-called hypergeometric distribution.
 

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