How Do You Calculate the Probability of No Events Occurring?

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The problem involves calculating the probability of no events occurring among three independent events A, B, and C, with given probabilities for each event. Participants are exploring different approaches to determine this probability and discussing the implications of their reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the probability of none of the events occurring using the complement of the probabilities of each event. They also explore an alternative method involving the probability of all events occurring and question the validity of their reasoning regarding complements.
  • Some participants affirm the original poster's approach and reasoning, while others introduce concepts from multinomial distribution and set theory to clarify the relationships between the events and their complements.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing affirmations and additional insights into the reasoning behind the calculations. There is a focus on clarifying the concepts of complements and the relationships between the events, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the depth of exploration into the problem. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the definitions and relationships between events in probability.

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Homework Statement


1.

Suppose that A, B, and C are 3 independent events such that Pr(A)=1/4, Pr(B)=1/3 and Pr(C)=1/2.

a. Determine the probability that none of these events will occur.

Is it just:

(1-P(a))(1-P(b))(1-P(c)) = 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 1/4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to do 1. another way:

The probability that all theses events will occur: 1/4 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/24

1-(1/24) = 23/24

Obviously this is wrong. Is the reason it is wrong, because: the complement of "all of these events will occur" is that "not all of these events will occur," meaning, it is not "none of these events will occur."

None of these events will occur is included in the compliment 1-(1/24), but so is that 1 of the events occur, and that 2 of the events occur, etc.

Am I right in my reasoning?
 
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the (1) is correct.
for reference, in general the answer can be found by calculating multinomial distribution.
in (3), the 23/24 probability is sum of "no events", "A only", "B only", "C only", "A&B", "A&C", "B&C".
 
r0bHadz said:

Homework Statement


1.

Suppose that A, B, and C are 3 independent events such that Pr(A)=1/4, Pr(B)=1/3 and Pr(C)=1/2.

a. Determine the probability that none of these events will occur.

Is it just:

(1-P(a))(1-P(b))(1-P(c)) = 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 1/4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to do 1. another way:

The probability that all theses events will occur: 1/4 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/24

1-(1/24) = 23/24

Obviously this is wrong. Is the reason it is wrong, because: the complement of "all of these events will occur" is that "not all of these events will occur," meaning, it is not "none of these events will occur."

None of these events will occur is included in the compliment 1-(1/24), but so is that 1 of the events occur, and that 2 of the events occur, etc.

Am I right in my reasoning?

Yes, that's it exactly.
 
r0bHadz said:

Homework Statement


1.

Suppose that A, B, and C are 3 independent events such that Pr(A)=1/4, Pr(B)=1/3 and Pr(C)=1/2.

a. Determine the probability that none of these events will occur.

Is it just:

(1-P(a))(1-P(b))(1-P(c)) = 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 1/4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to do 1. another way:

The probability that all theses events will occur: 1/4 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/24

1-(1/24) = 23/24

Obviously this is wrong. Is the reason it is wrong, because: the complement of "all of these events will occur" is that "not all of these events will occur," meaning, it is not "none of these events will occur."

None of these events will occur is included in the compliment 1-(1/24), but so is that 1 of the events occur, and that 2 of the events occur, etc.

Am I right in my reasoning?

You are correct, and there is sound reasoning to justify that fact, as follows. If we denote the complement of any event ##E## as ##\bar{E}##, then
$$
\{ \text{none occur} \} = \overline{A \cup B \cup C},$$
because the event that at least one occurs is ##A \cup B \cup C,## so the complement of that is the event that none occurs.

However, there is a general set-theoretic result:
$$\overline{ \bigcup_{i=1}^n A_i } = \bigcap_{i=1}^n \overline{A_i}$$ That is, the complement of a union is the intersection of the complements.
 

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