Probability of exactly one when events are dependent

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of selecting exactly one orange ball and at most one red ball from an urn containing multiple colored balls, specifically focusing on the implications of dependent events in probability calculations.

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  • One participant outlines the calculation for the probability of selecting exactly one orange ball using dependent probabilities and presents three scenarios for the order of selection.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial calculation and suggests a similar method could be applied to find the probability of selecting at most one red ball.
  • A participant details the calculation for at most one red ball, breaking it down into cases for selecting zero and one red ball, and proposes a final probability based on these calculations.
  • Another participant challenges the multiplication of probabilities for disjoint events, suggesting that the probabilities should be added instead, and proposes a method to verify the calculations by checking the total probability of selecting 0, 1, or 2 red balls.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the probability of at most one red ball, with some supporting the multiplication of probabilities and others advocating for addition due to the disjoint nature of the events.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating the probability of at most one red ball, highlighting the complexity of dependent events in probability theory.

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Probability of "exactly one" when events are dependent

The question is this:
"An urn is filled with 8 green balls, 2 red balls, and 6 orange balls. Three balls are selected without replacement."

What is the probability that exactly one ball is orange?

I know I could just use the binomial formula if each event were independent (i.e. three balls were selected [with replacement). But I'm not sure how to find the probability in this case because they are dependent events, and the order in which the orange ball is picked affects the probability. I can see three different scenarios of one orange ball being picked:

P(orange picked)*P(not orange picked)*P(not orange picked)
or
P(not orange picked)*P(orange picked)*P(not orange picked)
or
P(not orange picked)*P(not orange picked)*P(orange picked)

The first case corresponds to:
(6/16)(10/15)(9/14)= 9/56
The second case corresponds to:
(10/16)(6/15)(9/14)= 9/56
The third case corresponds to:
(10/16)(9/15)(6/14)= 9/56

Would the probability that exactly one ball is orange just be 3(9/56), or 27/56?

Would a similar process be done if I wanted to know the probability that at most one ball is red?
 
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Looks right. Yes, a similar methd would work to find out P(at most one is red.)
 
Thanks! And so for the probability that at most one red ball is picked:

"at most one" means either 0 red balls are picked or 1 red ball is picked.

If no red balls are picked, then:
P(not red)*P(not red)*P(not red)= (14/16)(13/15)(12/14)= 13/20

and if one red ball is picked it can happen three different ways:
1) P(red)*P(not red)*P(not red)= (2/16)(14/15)(13/14)= 13/120
2) P(not red)*P(red)*P(not red)= (14/16)(2/15)(13/14)= 13/120
3) P(not red)*P(not red)*P(red)= (14/16)(13/15)(2/14)= 13/120
or P(one red)=3(13/120)= 13/40

So would the probability of at most one red ball be (13/20)(13/40)= 169/800 ?
 
I don't see why you're multiplying the two probabilities and not adding them, since the events are disjoint --and disjoint events cannot be independent. Sounds counterintuitive, but it's true.

One way of double-checking your work is by adding P(0 Red)+P(1 Red)+P(2 Reds) and checking that they
add to 1. So try calculating P( exactly 2 Reds ), and you should get 1/40 .
 

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