Probability of finding a system an eigenstate

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The problem involves a quantum mechanical system with two stationary states, |1> and |2>, having energies E0 and 3E0, respectively. The system starts in the ground state, and a perturbation is applied, leading to a question about calculating the probability of finding the system in state |2>.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the meaning of the perturbation matrix elements and how to derive the probability coefficients needed for the solution. There is a mention of non-degenerate perturbation theory and its relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that the complete information about the unperturbed Hamiltonian is provided, while others question the necessity of non-degenerate perturbation theory, seeking a more elementary approach to the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the matrix representations of the Hamiltonian components.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not covered non-degenerate perturbation theory in their studies, which may affect their ability to approach the problem as presented.

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Homework Statement



As the homework problem is written exactly:
Consider the quantum mechanical system with only two stationary states |1> and |2> and energies E0 and 3E0, respectively. At t=0, the system is in the ground state and a constant perturbation <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0 is switched on. Calculate the probability of finding the system in the state |2>.

Homework Equations


H=V (I'm just assuming these states must be such that there is no kinetic energy and E=V, but that's just my guess - professor lacks communication skills at times).

|c1|2 + |c2|2 = 1
P(|2>)=|c2|2 (thus, I need c2 to solve the problem!)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I'm completely confused as to why he gave us <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0, what that even means, and where I'm supposed to retrieve the probability coefficients which is all I need to solve the problem.
 
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krobben92 said:

Homework Statement



As the homework problem is written exactly:
Consider the quantum mechanical system with only two stationary states |1> and |2> and energies E0 and 3E0, respectively. At t=0, the system is in the ground state and a constant perturbation <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0 is switched on. Calculate the probability of finding the system in the state |2>.

Homework Equations


H=V (I'm just assuming these states must be such that there is no kinetic energy and E=V, but that's just my guess - professor lacks communication skills at times).

|c1|2 + |c2|2 = 1
P(|2>)=|c2|2 (thus, I need c2 to solve the problem!)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I'm completely confused as to why he gave us <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0, what that even means, and where I'm supposed to retrieve the probability coefficients which is all I need to solve the problem.
Hi there!

Have you learned non degenerate perturbation theory? This is the formalism required to do this problem. What formula have you seen for perturbation theory?
 
No, at least not that I know of. I'm familiar with chapters 1-4 in Griffiths, if that helps.
 
Also you are given the complete information about the unperturbed Hamiltonian!
 
vanhees71 said:
Also you are given the complete information about the unperturbed Hamiltonian!

Right, I get that I have all of the matrix elements of the Hamiltonian, but I'm not sure how that's going to help me determine that probability of finding the system in state |2>. Also, we've never covered non degenerate perturbation theory, so is there another more elementary way to solve this problem?
 
krobben92 said:

Homework Statement



As the homework problem is written exactly:
Consider the quantum mechanical system with only two stationary states |1> and |2> and energies E0 and 3E0, respectively. At t=0, the system is in the ground state and a constant perturbation <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0 is switched on. Calculate the probability of finding the system in the state |2>.

Homework Equations


H=V (I'm just assuming these states must be such that there is no kinetic energy and E=V, but that's just my guess - professor lacks communication skills at times).
No, this isn't right. You add V to the existing Hamiltonian, so H=H0+V. What are the matrix representations of H0, V, and H? You should be able to figure out the rest from there.

|c1|2 + |c2|2 = 1
P(|2>)=|c2|2 (thus, I need c2 to solve the problem!)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I'm completely confused as to why he gave us <1|V|2>=<2|V|1>=E0, what that even means, and where I'm supposed to retrieve the probability coefficients which is all I need to solve the problem.
 

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