Probability of Forming a Line on a 3x3 Grid with Random Selections

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of forming at least one line of 3 squares in a 3x3 grid when 5 squares are randomly selected. The focus includes combinatorial reasoning and the exploration of possible arrangements that yield a line of 3 squares.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that there are 6 possible combinations of lines in the grid but is unsure how to proceed with the probability calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using the number of possible lines divided by the number of ways to select 3 out of 9 squares.
  • A different participant clarifies that since 5 squares are being chosen, the focus should be on the probability of having a line of 3 squares from those 5.
  • One participant calculates that there are 126 ways to choose 5 squares from 9 and questions how many of those arrangements contain at least one line of 3 squares, considering the need to account for rotations and reflections.
  • Another participant proposes a method for counting arrangements based on the position of the line and discusses the implications of rotations on the total count.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for insights received and indicates a plan to focus on possible arrangements while identifying those that do not form a line of 3 squares.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to calculating the probability, with no consensus on the best method or the completeness of the arrangements considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider rotations and reflections of arrangements, indicating potential limitations in their current counting methods.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in combinatorial probability, mathematical reasoning, or those working on similar grid-based probability problems may find this discussion relevant.

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Consider a 3-by-3 square grid. Suppose you pick 5 of the squares at random. What is the probability that at least 1 line of 3 squares is formed? (3 diagonal squares is NOT a line).

I do know that there are 6 combinations of lines that are possible. After that, I'm not sure how to follow along with this.
 
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number of possible lines/number of possible ways you can select 3 out of 9
 
I considered that, but you are not choosing 3 squares at a time... but instead, you are choosing a group of 5 squares. And from these 5 squares, what is the probability that there is a "line of 3 squares".
 
The fact that [tex]_9C_5=126[/tex] shows that there are a total of 126 possible ways a group of five squares can be selected at random. Now how many of these 126 arrangements of squares contain at least one "line of 3 squares"? Do I have to draw all the possibilities (and consider some of the possibilities can be rotated or reflected to get another possibility)?

So far I have found 49 of them (a total of 10 diagram arrangements which can occur multiple times with rotations or reflections). Should I continue this way, or is there a simpler way?
 
If the line goes up a side, top or bottom it's probably always a rotation of a form where it goes up the right

note you can only have one line. So you put the line up the right, you have 6 spaces for 2 squares, multiply by 4 for rotation. Then you have to consider if the line goes up the middle
 
Thank you very much for the insight Office_Shredder. Now I can make only the possible arrangements, and the remaining arrangements of the 126 will be the ones that don't create a "line of 3 squares".
 

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