Probability of measuring a specific value in a spin-1/2 system

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The discussion revolves around a spin-1/2 system, specifically focusing on the expectation values of the S_{z} and S_{x} operators and the probability of measuring a specific eigenvalue in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants are exploring the implications of the state representation and the use of Pauli matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of expectation values and the normalization of eigenstates. There are questions about the meaning of variables like z and the implications of using different eigenvectors for the S_{x} operator. Some express uncertainty about the dimensionality of probability and the correctness of their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some have offered guidance on the normalization of eigenstates and the proper representation of the system state. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the role of the variable z.

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There are constraints related to the definitions of eigenstates and the normalization process, which are under scrutiny. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their assumptions about the spin state and the measurements involved.

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Homework Statement


A spin-1/2 system in the state \left|ψ\right\rangle = \left|0.5, z\right\rangle of the S_{z} spin operator has eigenvalue s = +\hbar/2. Find the expectation values of the S_{z} and S_{x} operators.

Homework Equations


\left\langle S_{x,z}\right\rangle = \left\langle ψ \right| S_{x,z}\left|ψ\right\rangle

The Attempt at a Solution


Multiplied out above equations to find \hbar z/2 and \hbar (0.25 - z^{2})/2 for the x and z directions, respectively. I assume z is just "some variable" - is it safe to normalize the eigenstate and set z equal to root 0.75?

Homework Statement


Find the probability of measuring \hbar /2 in a measurement of S_{x} in the same system.

Homework Equations


The probability of measuring the eigenvalue a_{n} in a measurement of the observable A is P \left( a_{n} \right) = \left| \left\langle b_{n} |ψ \right\rangle \right| ^{2} where \left|b_{n}\right\rangle is the normalised eigenvector of A corresponding the the eigenvalue

The Attempt at a Solution


I believe this should just be the eigenvalue squared i.e. \hbar ^{2}/4, but I'm not sure if or why this is the case.
 
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S_x and S_z are the operators, representing the spin-x and -z components. Usually you write them with help of the Pauli spin matrices as
S_j=\frac{\hbar}{2} \sigma_j, \quad j \in \{x,y,z\}.

In the 2nd problem just calculate what you've written down and not guess some eigenvalue. Think also about the question, how can a probability be a dimensionful quantity as your result suggests?
 
I used the Pauli matrices to get my solution for the first question. For the second question I found the eigenvector for S_{x} to be (1,1) and the probability of measuring \hbar /2 to be (z+0.5)^{2}. However, if the eigenstate of the system is normalised and z = \sqrt{3/4} then I must be incorrect.

Thank you

edit: Using the other eigenvector (1,−1) yielded (z−0.5)^{2} = 0.134 - my first choice of eigenvector corresponded to -\hbar /2 rather than \hbar /2. I think I've solved the question, but why is the probability incorrect when I use the negative eigenvalue? I believe it is a valid value of s_{x}
 
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I don't understand what z should mean. In the formula you quote, there is no variable z.

You have |1/2,x \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} (I've normalized the vector properly for you). Your system is prepared in the spin state |\psi \rangle = \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}. Now you should be able to calculate the probability to measure \hbar/2 for \sigma_x!
 
Strange, the system state should be displayed like this:
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edit: Okay, I think I understand why the system state should be \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}, i.e. z = 0 - by using the S_{z} operator on the given eigenstate you can see the z has to be zero.

Using this information I find expectation values of 0 and \hbar /2 for x and z respectively. However with z = 0 I find that probability of measuring \hbar /2 for S_{x} is 1 which is inconsistent with the expectation value.
 
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Argh! Sorry, I've overlooked this. I understood the question such that |\psi \rangle should be the eigenstate of \hat{s}_z with eigenvalue \hbar/2. Then, in the usual convention to choose the Pauli matrices with respect to the \hat{s}_z eigenbasis, z=0.

For the probability you have to normalize the eigenvector of \hat{\sigma}_x to 1!
 
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Aha, got it (P = 0.5). Must remember to normalise eigenkets. Thanks!
 

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