Probability of Selecting a Black Disc

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities related to selecting black discs from a box containing red and black discs. Participants explore the probability of selecting a black disc in multiple trials, specifically focusing on the scenarios of selecting a black disc exactly once and at least once in a series of selections. The discussion also touches on expected values over repeated selections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the probability of selecting a black disc is 1 to 8, leading to confusion regarding the interpretation of "at least once" in terms of frequency.
  • Another participant introduces the binomial probability formula to calculate the probability of selecting a black disc, emphasizing the roles of the number of trials and successes.
  • There is a challenge regarding the interpretation of probabilities, with one participant correcting another's misunderstanding about the nature of probability as a value between 0 and 1.
  • Participants discuss the expected number of black discs drawn over 400 selections, with one suggesting a method of dividing 400 by 8, which raises questions about the correctness of this approach.
  • Clarifications are made about the binomial coefficient and its application to the problem, with a focus on determining the correct values for trials and successes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of probability and the correct application of the binomial formula. There is no consensus on the exact calculations or interpretations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific probabilities and expected values.

Contextual Notes

Some participants exhibit uncertainty about the calculations involved in determining probabilities and expected values, particularly in relation to the binomial distribution. There are also unresolved questions about the correct interpretation of the probability of selecting a black disc at least once.

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A box contains 35 red discs and 5 black discs
a disc is selected at random and its color noted.
The disc is then replaced in the box.

a) In 8 such selections what is the probability that a black disk is selected.
i) exactly once ii) at least once

b) The process of selecting and replacing is carried out 400 times
what is the expected number of black discs that would be drawn.

well there are 40 discs so the probability of selecting a black disk it 1 to 8 so i would presume "at least once" is 8 times. but not sure about the "exactly once"

about 400 times, not sure how this is done I just 400/8 to get 50

I don't know the answers to these so just see what would be suggested here.
 
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Re: disc selection

For part a), I would look at the binomial probability formula:

$$P(x)={n \choose x}p^x(1-n)^{n-x}$$

The binomial coefficient $${n \choose x}$$ takes into account the number of ways to get $x$ successes for $n$ trials.

Here $p$ is the probability of drawing a black disc on one trial, $n$ is the number of trials, and $x$ is the number of successes.

For part ii), I would use the fact that it is certain we will either draw zero black discs OR we will draw at least one black disc. This will make your computation much simpler.

Can you show what you can do with these suggestions?
 
karush said:
A box contains 35 red discs and 5 black discs
a disc is selected at random and its color noted.
The disc is then replaced in the box.

a) In 8 such selections what is the probability that a black disk is selected.
i) exactly once ii) at least once

b) The process of selecting and replacing is carried out 400 times
what is the expected number of black discs that would be drawn.

well there are 40 discs so the probability of selecting a black disk it 1 to 8 so i would presume "at least once" is 8 times.
I'm afraid you are completely misunderstanding the question. A probability is a number between 0 and 1 so "8 times" is impossible.

but not sure about the "exactly once"

about 400 times, not sure how this is done I just 400/8 to get 50
As the answer to what question?

I don't know the answers to these so just see what would be suggested here.
 
Re: disc selection

MarkFL said:
For part a), I would look at the binomial probability formula:

$$P(x)={n \choose x}p^x(1-n)^{n-x}$$

The binomial coefficient $${n \choose x}$$ takes into account the number of ways to get $x$ successes for $n$ trials.

Here $p$ is the probability of drawing a black disc on one trial, $n$ is the number of trials, and $x$ is the number of successes.

For part ii), I would use the fact that it is certain we will either draw zero black discs OR we will draw at least one black disc. This will make your computation much simpler.

Can you show what you can do with these suggestions?
sorry so long to get back to this, but we went on to another topic next day, but still want to deal with this

from $${n \choose x} $$ just to get the coefficient i presume $$n = 8$$ and $$x = 1$$ since the ratio is 5:40 or 1:8 so the coefficient would be 8
 
Re: disc selection

karush said:
sorry so long to get back to this, but we went on to another topic next day, but still want to deal with this

from $${n \choose x} $$ just to get the coefficient i presume $$n = 8$$ and $$x = 1$$ since the ratio is 5:40 or 1:8 so the coefficient would be 8

Yes, there are 8 ways to get exactly in black disk, one for each drawing of a disk from the box.
 

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