Probability of Surviving Pill Selection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a coursework question involving probability related to a scenario where Mr. Hope offers two indistinguishable pills to his victims, one of which is poisoned. Participants explore the probabilities of survival for Mr. Hope based on different choices made by the victims and the implications of those choices.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario where there is a 30% chance a victim selects a pill, leading to a 50% survival rate if a pill is chosen, and a 65% survival rate if no pill is chosen.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial calculation for one victim but questions how to extend this to two victims, highlighting the ambiguity in the problem's setup.
  • Some participants express confusion about the logic of Mr. Hope allowing victims to choose pills when he has a better chance of survival if he chooses himself.
  • Questions arise regarding the independence of the trials for the two victims and the implications of their choices on the overall probability of survival.
  • Clarifications are sought on whether the odds refer to selecting a pill or a specific pill, and who ultimately consumes the selected pill.
  • One participant suggests that a professor may have confused the probabilities in their explanation, indicating a potential error in the original problem setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the initial probability calculation for one victim but express uncertainty and disagreement regarding the setup and implications of the scenario with two victims. Multiple competing views on the interpretation of the problem remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are several open questions regarding the setup of the scenario, including the independence of the trials, the handling of indistinguishable pills, and the implications of the victims' choices on Mr. Hope's survival. These uncertainties affect the clarity of the probability calculations.

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I'll start off by saying this is technically a coursework question, just not mine, nor of the present. I work in a tutoring center and it's been a while since I have taken stats and don't quite understand this person's professor's reasoning.

The general idea of the question was that there was a guy named Mr. Hope who had 2 pills which he could not distinguish. One of which was laced with poison, and the other was not. For one of Hope's victims, he offered them the choice of pills. The odds were 0.3 that the victim selected a pill. If the victim selected the pill, the odds were 0.5 that Hope would survive. If the victim did not select the pill, the odds were 0.65 that Hope would survive.

What are the odds of Hope surviving this endeavor with 2 victims, where the scenario is the exact same for each?What we did was say the odds of Hope surviving one encounter were ##0.3*0.5+0.7*0.65##, because there was a 30% chance of getting to the scenario of 50% chance of survival OR 70% chance of a 65% chance of survival, and then square this result to get it for surviving both of 2 encounters. But apparently the first step is wrong, so could anyone explain? He had ##0.3*0.65+0.7*0.5## if I recall correctly. I know he transposed 2 of the numbers in that sum.
 
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Your answer to the first case is correct, but it is unclear how the scenario with 2 victims is supposed to look.
The problem is weird in general. If Hope wants to survive, and has a better chance to do so if he chooses the pill himself, why would he let someone else make a random choice?
 
mfb said:
Your answer to the first case is correct, but it is unclear how the scenario with 2 victims is supposed to look.
The problem is weird in general. If Hope wants to survive, and has a better chance to do so if he chooses the pill himself, why would he let someone else make a random choice?

I totally forgot I asked this, whoops. But that's what I thought. I asked someone else I work with as well and they thought the same thing. I'm not sure what the person's professor was thinking then. But as far as 2 victims, the trial conducted with the first is the exact same as the second. But since the victims are independent of each I just said to multiply the probability with itself. Now as far as the back story, sure it's flawed but maybe he wanted it to seem more authentic and less "I'm trying to kill you"?
 
What does “the trial conducted is the same” mean? Mr. Hope has a set of pills for each one? Mr. Hope has just one set and picks one only if both prisoners don’t choose one? What happens if both prisoners choose a pill - but not the same one? Way too many open questions.
 
transmini said:
The odds were 0.3 that the victim selected a pill.
Selected a pill (so the possibility of not selecting either) or selected a particular pill?
If the latter and they are indistinguishable, how come the odds are not 50-50?
transmini said:
If the victim selected the pill, the odds were 0.5 that Hope would survive.
Who is taking the selected pill, the "victim" or Hope?
transmini said:
He had 0.3∗0.65+0.7∗0.5
Sounds like he just got confused and swapped two numbers somewhere.
 

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