Probability Question: At Least One Customer Unable To Claim Car

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability that at least one customer who made a reservation at a car rental company is unable to claim their car, given that all cars are claimed for the day. The context includes probabilistic reasoning related to reservations and claims, with a focus on understanding conditional probabilities and the application of binomial distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial probability calculation, stating that the probability of all cars being claimed is derived from the binomial distribution, leading to a value of $P(all-cars-claimed) = 0.2339$.
  • Another participant questions the phrasing of the problem, suggesting that the distinction between reserving and claiming cars needs clarification.
  • Several participants discuss the calculation of the probability that 23 or more reservations show up, with one participant asserting this probability to be $0.0982252228436887$.
  • There is a proposal that the probability of one or more reservations not being able to claim a car, given that all cars are claimed, can be expressed in terms of the probabilities of claims exceeding the number of available cars.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to reason that $0.0982252228436887$ corresponds to the joint probability of one or more reservations not being able to claim a car while all cars are claimed.
  • Another participant confirms the relationship between the probabilities using the formula for conditional probability, indicating a realization of the connection between the events discussed.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the problem and its phrasing, leading to some disagreement on the calculations and reasoning involved. There is no consensus on the final interpretation of the probabilities or the reasoning behind them.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations rely on assumptions about the independence of reservations and claims, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the correct interpretation of the events described.

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So, at a car rental company, 20% of car reservations are not claimed. There is a total of 22 cars and the manager takes 25 reservations a day.

If all cars are claimed for a day, what is the probability that one or more customer who had reservations were unable to claim their car?

I need to find:

$P(one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim | all-cars-claimed) = \frac{P(one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim \land all-cars-claimed)} {P(all-cars-claimed)}$To get the probability that all cars are claimed, I take ${{25}\choose{22}} {0.8 ^{22} * 0.2^ 3}$ + ${{25}\choose{23}} {0.8 ^{23} * 0.2^ 2}$ + ${{25}\choose{25}} {0.8 ^{25} * 0.2^ 0}$ which is $P(all-cars-claimed) = 0.2339$.

The probability that 23 or more of reservations show up is $0.0982252228436887$

Based on the solution, I can infer that $0.0982252228436887 = P(one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim \land all-cars-claimed) $. Thus, the answer is $0.0982252228436887 / 0.2339$.

But I'm not sure how to reason for myself that $0.0982252228436887 = P(one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim \land all-cars-claimed) $.
 
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tmt said:
So, at a car rental company, 20% of car reservations are not claimed. There is a total of 22 cars and the manager takes 25 reservations a day.

If all cars are claimed for a day, what is the probability that one or more customer who had reservations were unable to claim their car?

Hi tmt, (Wave)

For the quoted part in bold, should this read "If all cars are reserved for the day..."? I think there are two events here, reserving and claiming.

How did you get "The probability that 23 or more of reservations show up is 0.0982252228436887"?
 
Jameson said:
Hi tmt, (Wave)

For the quoted part in bold, should this read "If all cars are reserved for the day..."? I think there are two events here, reserving and claiming.

How did you get "The probability that 23 or more of reservations show up is 0.0982252228436887"?

No -- there are 25 reservations every day. And there is a 0.8 probability that a reservation is claimed.

Therefore, each day it is expected that 20 cars will be claimed (25 * 0.8).

The probability that 23 or more of reservations are claimed ${{25}\choose{23}} {0.8 ^{23} * 0.2^ 2}$ + ${{25}\choose{24}} {0.8 ^{24} * 0.2^ 1}$ + ${{25}\choose{25}} {0.8 ^{25} * 0.2^ 0}$ which is $P(all-cars-claimed) = 0.098 $

Since there are only 22 cards, that means there is a 0.098 probability that 1 or more people that made a reservation do not actually get to claim their car.

To get the probability that all cars are claimed is the same as 22 or more reservations are claimed (if 22 reservations are claimed, then all available cars are claimed, thus if > 22 reservations are claimed, also all available cars are claimed).

This is ${{25}\choose{22}} {0.8 ^{22} * 0.2^ 3}$ + ${{25}\choose{23}} {0.8 ^{23} * 0.2^ 2}$ + ${{25}\choose{24}} {0.8 ^{24} * 0.2^ 1}$ + ${{25}\choose{25}} {0.8 ^{25} * 0.2^ 0}$ which is $P(all-cars-claimed) = 0.2339$.

Now, the question is if all cars are claimed for the day, what is the probability that 1 or more reservations are unable to claim their car?

Let call P(A) the probability that all cars are claimed for the day. Then $P(A) = 0.23$ from the work above.

Lets call P(B) the probability that 23 or more reservations make their claim. Then $P(B) = 0.098$.

So how do we answer this question?

The solution says 0.098 / 0.23 but I'm not sure how to intuit this.
 
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tmt said:
But I'm not sure how to reason for myself that $0.0982252228436887 = P(one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim \land all-cars-claimed) $.

Don't we have:
$$
P(\text{one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim} \land \text{all-cars-claimed}) \\
= P(Claims > 22 \land Claims \ge 22) \\
= P(Claims > 22) \\
= \binom{25}{23} 0.8^{23}0.2^2 + \binom{25}{24} 0.8^{24}0.2^1 + \binom{25}{25} 0.8^{25}0.2^0
$$
?
 
I like Serena said:
Don't we have:
$$
P(\text{one-or-more-reservations-not-able-to-claim} \land \text{all-cars-claimed}) \\
= P(Claims > 22 \land Claims \ge 22) \\
= P(Claims > 22) \\
= \binom{25}{23} 0.8^{23}0.2^2 + \binom{25}{24} 0.8^{24}0.2^1 + \binom{25}{25} 0.8^{25}0.2^0
$$
?

Oh yeah, finally clicked.

Simple a matter of P(A | B) = P(A ^ B) / P(B)
 

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