Probability to find electron in ground state

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of finding an electron in the ground state of a hydrogen atom using a given normalized wavefunction. Participants explore the relationship between the wavefunction and energy eigenstates, particularly focusing on the ground state and its associated probability.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of the wavefunction and the concept of expanding it in terms of energy eigenstates. There is a focus on how to calculate the coefficient related to the ground state probability and the integral involved in this calculation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical relationships and integrals necessary for calculating the probability. There are differing values presented for the coefficient related to the ground state, indicating ongoing exploration and verification of calculations.

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Participants question the correctness of their calculations and assumptions regarding the normalization of wavefunctions and the integration process. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in previous calculations that may affect the final probability result.

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Homework Statement


An electron in hydrogen atom can be described with normalized wavefunction ##\psi (r,\vartheta ,\varphi )=(\frac{1}{64\pi r_B^3})^{\frac{1}{2}}exp(-\frac{r}{4r_B})##.

Calculate the probability that the electron is in ground state of hydrogen atom. How much is the energy of electron in state ##\psi ##?
Ground state is ##\psi (r,\vartheta ,\varphi )=\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi }}\frac{2}{r_B^{3/2}}exp(-\frac{r}{r_B})##


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I have no idea on how to even start with the fist part - calculating the probability...

But the second part should be relatively easy to do: ##\left \langle \psi\left | \hat{H} \right | \psi \right \rangle=\left \langle \psi\left | \frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\hat{p}^2+\frac{\hat{l}^2}{2m\left \langle r \right \rangle^2}-\frac{e^2}{4\pi \varepsilon _0}\frac{1}{\hat{r}} \right | \psi \right \rangle##

But still... what is the idea behind the first question? O.o
 
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Let ##\psi## be your given normalized wavefunction and let ##\phi_1, \phi_2, \phi_3,...## be the normalized wavefunctions for the energy eigenstates of the atom. So, ##\phi_1## is the ground state, ##\phi_2## is the first excited state, etc.

The set of eigenfunctions ##\{\phi_1, \phi_2, \phi_3,...\}## form a complete, orthonormal set of functions. So, you could imagine expanding ##\psi## in terms of the eigenfunctions:

##\psi = a_1\phi_1+a_2\phi_2+a_3\phi_3...##

How is the coefficient ##a_1## related to the probability that you are asked to find, and how can you calculate the value of ##a_1##?
 
##\left | a_1 \right |^2## is by definition the probability that the electron will be in state ##\phi _1##.

The sum of those coefficients is therefore ##\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left | a_i \right |=1##.

Now how to calculate them... hmm

If I am not wrong ##a_n=\left \langle \psi _n \right | \psi \rangle## or is it not?
 
##a_1=\left \langle \psi _1 \right | \psi \rangle=\int_{0}^{2\pi }d\varphi \int_{0}^{\pi }d\vartheta sin\vartheta \int_{0}^{\infty}(\frac{1}{64\pi r_B^3})^{\frac{1}{2}}exp(-\frac{r}{4r_B})\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi }}\frac{2}{r_B^{3/2}}exp(-\frac{r}{r_B})r^2dr##

##a_1=\frac{1}{2r_B^3}\int_{0}^{\infty}r^2exp(-\frac{5r}{4r_B})dr##

which gives me ##a_1=\frac{16}{25}##

Therefore the probability should be 0.4096.

I hope.
 
skrat said:
##a_1=\left \langle \psi _1 \right | \psi \rangle=\int_{0}^{2\pi }d\varphi \int_{0}^{\pi }d\vartheta sin\vartheta \int_{0}^{\infty}(\frac{1}{64\pi r_B^3})^{\frac{1}{2}}exp(-\frac{r}{4r_B})\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi }}\frac{2}{r_B^{3/2}}exp(-\frac{r}{r_B})r^2dr##

##a_1=\frac{1}{2r_B^3}\int_{0}^{\infty}r^2exp(-\frac{5r}{4r_B})dr##

Looks good.

which gives me ##a_1=\frac{16}{25}##

I get a different value.
 
Of course you do, ##5^2## was never ##20##.

##a_1=64/125##.

Thank you TSny!
 
skrat said:
Of course you do, ##5^2## was never ##20##.

:smile:
 

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