Problem calculating Li-7 neutron - induced nuclear reaction

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The discussion revolves around the nuclear reaction involving Lithium-7 (Li-7) absorbing a neutron and transforming into Beryllium-8 (Be-8), which subsequently splits into two alpha particles. Participants explore the mechanisms, intermediate states, and calculations related to this reaction, touching on theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the reaction proceeds through Be-8 as an intermediate or directly to two alpha particles, noting Be-8's instability.
  • Another participant suggests various notations for the reaction, including Li-7(n, a)a and Li-7(n, 2α), and discusses the rapid disintegration of Be-8.
  • There is a discussion about treating the reaction as a single step for calculations, with emphasis on the Q-value derived from the initial mass of Li-7 and a neutron to the final mass of two alpha particles.
  • One participant mentions that while Be-8 is short-lived on human timescales, it can still be treated as a single-step reaction for practical calculations.
  • Another participant raises a question about the distribution of energy released between the two alpha particles, considering the mass of the beta particle in the transition from Li-8 to Be-8.
  • Additional references to half-lives of related isotopes are provided, highlighting the complexity of the discussion.
  • A participant shares a related process of photoneutron production from Be-9, suggesting it may offer further insights into the reaction being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Be-8 does not act as a stable intermediate in the reaction, but there is no consensus on the exact details of the reaction mechanisms or the implications for energy calculations. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the treatment of the reaction and the distribution of energy.

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Participants express uncertainty about the notation for the reaction and the specifics of energy calculations. The discussion includes references to half-lives and decay processes, indicating a need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions in the context of nuclear physics.

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I'm having issues determining the exact details/mechanisms of the reaction, and online resources appear scarce.
Hello All,

Firstly, I'd like to apologize if any of this comes across as wrong or off-putting, as I am a completely new user. However, this question has been troubling me for months.

I'm trying to work out an experiment involving the reaction where Li-7 absorbs an incoming neutron, transforms into Be-8, and subsequently splitting into 2 alpha particles. However, working with it has been difficult, as I am not sure of several things witht he reaction:

1. Does the reaction go to Be-8 first, or essentially straight to the 2 alpha particles? I had read that Beryllium-8 is an "unbound" nucleus, which I believe means something to the order of it's inability to exist as a meaningful intermediate step in the reaction

2. For researching, how is it refferred to as? Continuing the above, would it simply be Li-7(n, a)a? or would it be something like Li-7(n, a)He-4, or even as the two separate Li-7(n, B-)Be-8 and Be-8 --> 2a?

3. Although I may be able to figure this out given the first two, if the answer is more complicated than Beryllium-8 existing as a complete intermediate or not at all (e. g., somewhere in the middle as one that impacts the following), how would I be able to calculate the energies of the resultant alpha particles?

Again, I am still relatively new to this deep of a level of nuclear/particle physics, so any additional info is welcome and appreciated.

Also, if it is worth anything, I can try simulating this using EMPIRE, which I downloaded for something like this. Unfortunately, I am not too well versed in using that software, so if the solutions to the posted questions have to be answered analytically, I can try doing that, but it may be somewhat of a struggle, so it's not really the preferential option for me.

Thanks in advance for any answers you all might have!
 
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TL;DR Summary: I'm having issues determining the exact details/mechanisms of the reaction, and online resources appear scarce.

Li-7(n, a)a? or would it be something like Li-7(n, a)He-4
I've seen it different ways, including 7Li(n,2α). Both alphas would capture two electrons each and form 4He. 8Be is very unstable, such that it essentially doesn't have a half-life, not in the conventional sense. It's half-life is expressed as an energy, or differential energy, 5.57 eV (NNDC, BNL), which one can find in the Chart of the Nuclides. It disintegrates essentially instantaneously.

KAERI's data base shows half life of 6.8 eV - https://atom.kaeri.re.kr/cgi-bin/nuclide?nuc=Be8

One temporal estimate - 8.19×10−17 seconds
https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1773479
 
Thank you very much! I will look into this more when i get home
 
I do see what you're saying. Beryllium-8 is so unstable it essentially doesn't exist as an intermediate step. Would you therefore be able to treat the Li-7(n, 2a) reaction as a single step in terms of physics (e. g., in calculating the outgoing energies of the alpha particles)? I assume then that you would calculate the Q-value with the initial mass being Lithium-7 and a neutron, and the final mass being 2 alpha particles.

Thanks again for the helpful response, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
It's short-living on human timescales but still long-living on nuclear timescales. Not that it matters: You get two alphas in opposite directions in the center of mass frame either way. There shouldn't be any spin shenanigans either.
 
CMTacoTophat said:
I do see what you're saying. Beryllium-8 is so unstable it essentially doesn't exist as an intermediate step. Would you therefore be able to treat the Li-7(n, 2a) reaction as a single step in terms of physics (e. g., in calculating the outgoing energies of the alpha particles)? I assume then that you would calculate the Q-value with the initial mass being Lithium-7 and a neutron, and the final mass being 2 alpha particles.

Thanks again for the helpful response, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, that's pretty much the right idea. Beryllium-8 essentially collapses too fast to act as a stable step. So, treating it as a one-step reaction works for the Q-value calculation. Just make sure to double-check your mass values for accuracy. But honestly, it can get complicated, so I hope it all makes sense when you calculate it.
 
Thank you all very much, your insight is invaluable, and I believe I can use this to move forward. One final question, however (and sorry if I'm asking too many of them), but I can assume that most of the energy released is split between the two alpha articles, right (given the small mass of the beta particle in going from lithium-8 to beryllium-8)?
 
 

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Thanks for the help. I believe I have the correct alpha (kinetic) energy now pegged at around 10 MeV, taking it as a single-step, nonrelativistic scenario. Thank you all for your help!
 
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I just thought of a related physical process - photoneutron production from 9Be(γ,n)2α, in which a gamma of ~1.667 MeV causes 9Be to eject a neutron leaving 8Be, which essentially promptly fissions into 2 alpha particles. The reaction is the basis of secondary (neutron) startup sources in nuclear reactors (LWRs).
 
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Thats fairly interesting, Ill have to look into that. Maybe ot can also provide additional insight
 

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