Problem: Cartesian tensor to Spherical Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of a dielectric tensor from Cartesian coordinates to spherical coordinates, particularly in the context of calculating the potential of a dipole. Participants explore the implications of this conversion on the potential equation and the appropriate mathematical formulations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a dielectric tensor in Cartesian coordinates and questions how to convert it to spherical coordinates for use in a potential equation.
  • Another participant critiques the potential equation, noting that it improperly mixes a scalar with an uncontracted tensor in the denominator, suggesting a different approach using a summation over the tensor components.
  • A third participant asks for clarification on the type of tensor being discussed, indicating that the type may influence the conversion process.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the D field for a point charge, proposing to derive the E field from the dielectric tensor and then calculate the potential, hinting at a potential change in the form of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to converting the dielectric tensor and calculating the potential. There is no consensus on the method or the implications of the tensor conversion.

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Participants have not specified the type of tensor being discussed, which may affect the conversion process. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration and the relationship between the fields and potential.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, particularly in the context of dielectric materials and tensor analysis in different coordinate systems.

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Dear Frnds,

my problem is very simple. please help me.

I have a dielectric tensor like:

epsilon_T=
|1 0 0|
|0 1 0| %% note that it is in cartesian co-ordinate system
|0 0 a|

now the potential equation of dipole should be as in spherical system

V=1/(4*pi*epsilon_T (?) *epsilon_0)*(qdcos(theta)/R)

now should i change the epsilon_T value cartesian to spherical system ?

or how i can write down the code ?

should it be V_xx, V_yy and V_zz?

please hurry.
 
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gaffareee said:
now the potential equation of dipole should be as in spherical system

V=1/(4*pi*epsilon_T (?) *epsilon_0)*(qdcos(theta)/R)

This equation doesn't make much sense. On the LHS you have a scalar, while on the RHS you seem to have an uncontracted tensor in the denominator.

I believe that you should have an expression for the potential (electric or energy, it doesn't matter) that is proportional to

[tex]\sum_{ij} (\epsilon_T)_{ij} E_i r_j.[/tex]

As a scalar, this quantity can be evaluated in Cartesian coordinates and then written in terms of spherical coordinates, which would avoid having to convert vectors to spherical coordinates.
 
You haven't said what type tensor it is.
 
First write down the D field. For example, for a single point charge the D field is
[tex]\vec{D} = q/(4\pi r^2) \hat{r}[/tex]

Then use the relationship [tex]\vec{D} = \epsilon \vec{E}[/tex] to get the E field (you have to invert your dielectric tensor).

Then perform the integral to calculate the potential from the E field. The potential will still be a scalar but I think you will find that instead of 1/r you will have something like 1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+(az)^2). But you have to check.
 

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