Problem finding Spring Constant

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The problem involves determining the spring constant of a spring that launches a metal ball at an angle after being compressed. The scenario includes specific measurements of the ball's mass, launch angle, compression distance, and the distances traveled both horizontally and vertically.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy conservation principles, specifically equating elastic potential energy to kinetic energy. They explore resolving the motion of the ball in both vertical and horizontal directions to find the initial velocity. There are attempts to derive equations for the spring constant based on these principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different approaches and questioning the assumptions made regarding the setup and calculations. Some participants express confusion over the signs in the equations and the implications of negative values in their results, indicating a need for further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the reference point for the launch angle and the signs used in the equations for vertical and horizontal motion. Participants are also grappling with the implications of negative values in their calculations, which raises questions about the correctness of their assumptions and setups.

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Homework Statement


In a physics lab experiment, a compressed spring launches a 31g metal ball at a 25 degree angle. Compressing the spring 19cm causes the ball to hit the floor 2.0m below the point at which it leaves the spring after traveling 5.2m horizontally.
What is the spring constant?

Homework Equations


EPE=1/2*k*x^2
KE=1/2*m*v^2
PE=m*g*h
Kinematics?


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the initial energy of the system is EPE+PE, and the only unknown is k, the spring constant, but I'm not sure where to go from there. I figured I could find the KE when it hits the ground and use the law of conservation of energy to equate this to my initial energy and solve for k but all attempts at finding that velocity failed.
 
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Start by arbitrarily assigning the initial velocity of the metal ball as v upon leaving the spring. Then, you are able to resolve the motion of the ball in the vertical and horizontal directions. Since you know the horizontal and vertical displacements of the ball, and the fact that the time taken in both directions is obviously the same, you can solve them simultaneously for v. (Yup, kinematics) From there, you can get the kinetic energy of the ball upon release and consequently the spring constant k.
 
Okay so i set EPE=KE right?
Then I solve for k.
k=mv^2/x^2.

Then if I say Ydistance=Vsin(theta)t+1/2(g)t^2
and Xdistance=Vcos(theta)t
and then solve both for t and set them equal.
Then when I solve for V^2 I get:

(Xdistance^2*g^2) / (2*Ydistance*g*cos^2(theta)-2*Xdistance*g*sin(theta)*cos(theta))

then I plug this into my equation for k and i get the value 31N/m, which is not correct.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks
 
Well, I need to know how the set-up looks like. "at a 25 degree angle" with respect to?
I'm surprised that you can even get an answer: the part of the expression (2*Ydistance*g*cos^2(theta)-2*Xdistance*g*sin(theta)*cos(theta))
= 2*2*9.81*cos^2 (25 deg) - 2*5.2*9.81*sin (25 deg) * cos (25 deg)
= - 6.85 is negative!
v^2 surely cannot be negative -> v is imaginary otherwise.
 
Assuming the ball is launched 25 degrees upward from horizontal, the equation for y motion will be
y=vo*t*sin(theta)-1/2gt^2 (y is positive upwards) or withe the signs reversed (if y is positive
downwards). The two terms do not have the same sign anyway.
 

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