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The original poster is attempting to calculate the commutator between two components of angular momentum, following a series of steps from a demonstration. They encounter difficulty in transforming Levi-Civita symbols within a specific equation, which involves summations and indices.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of Levi-Civita symbols and the implications of indices in the summation. The original poster attempts to express the symbols in terms of delta functions but is uncertain about specific terms in the equation. Some participants question the correctness of the indices used in the original poster's expressions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and questioning the accuracy of the indices. There is a suggestion for the original poster to verify their notation, and a request for clarification from more knowledgeable members is noted.

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There is mention of a desire to include an image from Wikipedia to aid in the explanation, but technical difficulties in sharing the image are noted. This may affect the clarity of the discussion regarding the transformation of symbols.

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Good morning or afternoon everybody. I am trying to calculate the commutator between two components of angular momenta by following somebody's steps. During the process, I arrive to one step which I can't follow. It's between before and after the equal.

Σnmljnmkln iħ XlPm - Σnmkjnmkmh iħ XnPh = iħ(Σml (-δjkXlPl)+ΣmjkmXjPkmkXnPnδjknjkmXjPk).

What I don't get is how we transform the levi civita symbols (∈)

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The Attempt at a Solution


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In this case, we can transform the symbols of the left part of the equal to get four deltas; ∈jmnkln = -δjkδml + δjlδmk & ∈jnmkmh = -δjkδnh + δjhδmk.

Then, we can use δml on XlPm and δmk on PmXl to obtain what is seen at the left of the equal, Σml (-δjkXlPl) & ΣmkXnPnδjk

But I don't know how can I calculate the other two terms, ΣmjkmXjPk & -ΣnjkmXjPk.

If anyone can tell me how to calculate them, I would be very thankfull
 
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Can you check your indices again?

It seems that the -Σn∈jkmXjPk has no n to index with the summation.

The other ∈jnm∈kmh= -δjkδnh + δjhδmk. looks off too as the righthand side sums over m, right?
and so there should not be an m index on the lefthand side.

CAVEAT: I'm no expert so wait until a math advisor comments here (@micromass or @Mark44)
 
jedishrfu said:
Can you check your indices again?

It seems that the -Σn∈jkmXjPk has no n to index with the summation.

The other ∈jnm∈kmh= -δjkδnh + δjhδmk. looks off too as the righthand side sums over m, right?
and so there should not be an m index on the lefthand side.

CAVEAT: I'm no expert so wait until a math advisor comments here (@micromass or @Mark44)

You are right, it is ∈jkn.
On the other hand, I wanted to post an image from wikipedia in which the product of two levi civita symbols is described, but I can't copy the image, what I want to do is to write the symbols as a matrix of deltas, then grab the δii multiplied by the substraction of two products of deltas.
 
Frank Einstein said:
I wanted to post an image from wikipedia
It seems to not be a image. So you'd need to take a screenshot, then attach to your post that screenshot image.

EDIT: If you surround wikipedia's SVG link with IMG tags, you could request that viewers click on Reply (whether or not they may intend replying), and they will see that the image does display as intended in the pop-up editor pane.

https://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_147089323842911&key=6afc78eea2339e9c047ab6748b0d37e7&libId=irpvisre010009we000MAfj4chclj&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.physicsforums.com%2Fthreads%2Fproblem-following-a-demonstration.881099%2F&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwikimedia.org%2Fapi%2Frest_v1%2Fmedia%2Fmath%2Frender%2Fsvg%2F649e6209e5af520ca1a5ea07c33b58591565ab3a&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.physicsforums.com%2Fwatched%2Fthreads%2Fall&title=Problem%20following%20a%20demonstration%20%7C%20Physics%20Forums%20-%20The%20Fusion%20of%20Science%20and%20Community&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fwikimedia.org%2Fapi%2Frest_v1%2Fmedia%2Fmath%2Frender%2Fsvg%2F649e6209e5af520ca1a5ea07c33b58591565ab3a
 

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