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The discussion centers on applying the implicit function theorem to calculate the partial derivative of a function h with respect to the variable w, given three constraints: A(x,y,z)=0, B(y,z)=y-z=0, and C(w,x,y,z)=w-(x+y+z)=0. The user explores different approaches to substituting y=z and seeks clarification on the correct method for deriving the partial derivatives x_w and y_w. The solution involves expressing the total differential dh in terms of dw, emphasizing the importance of the implicit function theorem for solving the multivariate system of equations.

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Homework Statement



I have 3 functions which define 3 constraints:
A(x,y,z)=0 (nonlinear)
B(y,z)=y-z=0
C(w,x,y,z)=w-(x+y+z)=0

I'm asked to calculate the partial of a function h, with respect to the variable w; with h=h(x,y,z).

Homework Equations


A(x,y,z)=0 (nonlinear)
B(y,z)=y-z=0
C(w,x,y,z)=w-(x+y+z)=0

The Attempt at a Solution



a. With B, make y=z in all of the equations:
A(x,y)=0 (no lineal)
C(w,x,y)=w-(x+2y)=0
h=h(x,y,y)=h(x,y)

b. The subindex point out the variable of the partial; apply the chain rule
h_w = h_x * x_w + h_y * y_w,

c. For the partial derivatives x_w and y_w we can use the implicit function theorem:

x_w = - C_w / C_x = 1,
y_w = - C_w / C_y = 1/2
with C_w = \frac{\partial C}{\partial w}, etc

Doubt: if I make y=z at first the result if different from the case I make y=z at the end. What case is the correct?

Simplied example:
h(x,y)=f(x)+g(y); the constraint is x=y; and w=x+y.

a. Making x=y at the end
h_w = f_x * x_w + g_y * y_w = f(x)_x + g(y)_y
x=y,
h_w = f(x)_x + g(x)_x

b. Making x=y at first. The variable w=2x, h(x,x) = f(x) + g(x)
h_w = f_x * x_w + g_x * x_w
x_w = 1/2
h_w = 0.5 f(x)_x + 0.5 g(x)_x

Which is the correct?

Thank you in advance :)

Greetings!
 
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ORF said:

Homework Statement



I have 3 functions which define 3 constraints:
A(x,y,z)=0 (nonlinear)
B(y,z)=y-z=0
C(w,x,y,z)=w-(x+y+z)=0

I'm asked to calculate the partial of a function h, with respect to the variable w; with h=h(x,y,z).

Homework Equations


A(x,y,z)=0 (nonlinear)
B(y,z)=y-z=0
C(w,x,y,z)=w-(x+y+z)=0

The Attempt at a Solution



a. With B, make y=z in all of the equations:
A(x,y)=0 (no lineal)
C(w,x,y)=w-(x+2y)=0
h=h(x,y,y)=h(x,y)

b. The subindex point out the variable of the partial; apply the chain rule
h_w = h_x * x_w + h_y * y_w,

c. For the partial derivatives x_w and y_w we can use the implicit function theorem:

x_w = - C_w / C_x = 1,
y_w = - C_w / C_y = 1/2
with C_w = \frac{\partial C}{\partial w}, etc

Doubt: if I make y=z at first the result if different from the case I make y=z at the end. What case is the correct?

Simplied example:
h(x,y)=f(x)+g(y); the constraint is x=y; and w=x+y.

a. Making x=y at the end
h_w = f_x * x_w + g_y * y_w = f(x)_x + g(y)_y
x=y,
h_w = f(x)_x + g(x)_x

b. Making x=y at first. The variable w=2x, h(x,x) = f(x) + g(x)
h_w = f_x * x_w + g_x * x_w
x_w = 1/2
h_w = 0.5 f(x)_x + 0.5 g(x)_x

Which is the correct?

Thank you in advance :)

Greetings!

You can write three equations:
A_x dx + A_y dy + A_z dz = 0\\<br /> dy - dz = 0\\<br /> dw - dx - dy - dz = 0<br />
Solving for ##dx, dy, dz## in terms of ##dw## allows you to express ##dh = h_x dx + h_y dy + h_z dz## solely in terms of ##dw##.

If you don't like using ##dv## on a variable ##v##, think instead of a finite, but small, increment ##\Delta v## and first-order Taylor expansions in terms of ##\Delta x, \, \Delta y, \, \Delta z, \, \Delta w##. You want the first-order Taylor expansion of ##h(x,y,z)## in terms of ##\Delta w##.

Solvability of the linear system above requires a condition on ##A(x,y,z)##; that is the same condition needed for applicability of the implicit function theorem to the multivariate linear system ##F_i(x,y,z,w) = 0, i = 1,2,3##.
 
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