Problem integrating complex function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that two specific integrals involving complex functions yield complex numbers. The integrals are defined with respect to a function f and its complex conjugate, f*, and involve differentiation and integration over the entire real line.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to the problem, including integration by parts and the implications of normalization conditions for the function f. Questions arise regarding the behavior of f at the boundaries and the conditions necessary for normalization.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify misunderstandings about the properties of the function f, particularly its role as a probability density. Some participants have provided corrections regarding the integration process and the assumptions made about the function's behavior at infinity. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the integrals in question.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that f is not a probability density, but that |f|^2 = f*f is a probability density. There is also a mention of the need for careful handling of integration by parts and the product rule in the context of complex functions.

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Homework Statement


Hello, I have been tasked with the next problem, I have to prove that the next two integrals are complex numbers; but I have no idea of how to attack this problem.

Homework Equations


∫dx f*(x) x (-ih) (∂/∂x) f(x) integrating between -∞ and ∞
∫dx f*(x) (-ih) (∂/∂x) (x f(x)) integrating between -∞ and ∞
Where h is a constant, i = √-1 and f* the complex conjugate of the function f

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, the only thing I can think of for solving is a direct integration by parts, using u =f* x and dv= (∂/∂x) f(x) dx for the first integral, with du=f* and v= ∫(∂/∂x) f(x)dx=f(x). But then, I find that
-ih∫u dv= uv -∫v du = -ih( [f f* x]-∞∞+∫f f*dx).
f f*=1, so I find myself with -ih[(∞) (∞-∞)]

All help is appreciated.
 
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You shouldn't have ##f^*(x)f(x)=1## (where did the x dependence go?) instead, the normalization condition is that ##\int_{-\infty}^\infty f^*(x) f(x) dx = 1##.
 
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That was a bad mistake I made; even worse for the fact that f is actually a density of probability. Thanks for pointing this error.
Then I get rid of the ∞-∞, but I still have [f f* x]-∞ , which result in a complex but infinite result
 
Frank Einstein said:
That was a bad mistake I made; even worse for the fact that f is actually a density of probability. Thanks for pointing this error.
Then I get rid of the ∞-∞, but I still have [f f* x]-∞ , which result in a complex but infinite result

Why is it infinite? What conditions must ##f(x)## fulfill at the boundaries if we are to be able to normalize them? Why do you think ##f^*(x)f(x)## will diverge at both limits?
 
Frank Einstein said:
That was a bad mistake I made; even worse for the fact that f is actually a density of probability. Thanks for pointing this error.
Then I get rid of the ∞-∞, but I still have [f f* x]-∞ , which result in a complex but infinite result

No: f is NOT a probability density. In general, f has complex values, so cannot possibly be a probability density. However, ##|f|^2 = f^*f## is a probability density.

Also, you did not perform integration by parts correctly. You wrote
u = f^*(x) x, \;\; dv = (\partial/\partial x) f(x) \, dx \\<br /> \Longrightarrow du = f^* \; \text{ and }\; v = f.
The ##v = f## part is OK, but ##du = f^*## is wrong, and does not even make sense, because a ##dx## is missing. Anyway, you need to use the product rule, which you have not done, so it would be wrong even if you supplied the missing ##dx##.
 
You are right. Posting at late night is a bad idea.
Today I have remade my calculations and I think I have arrived to coherent results.
If I make the integration by parts with u = x f* and dv= (∂/∂x)(f(x)) then du = (f* + x (∂f*/∂x)) dx
Taking into account that [f f* x]-∞ is 0 because f goes way faster to 0 than x to ∞ and that ∫f f* dx is 1 I find that the original inegral is it's own complex conjugate plus -ih, what means that the operator is not hermitian and therefore, the solution is not real.

I will use the same procedure for the second integral.
 

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