Problem involving Newtonian Gravity and a tunnel through the Earth

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The problem involves a theoretical scenario of a tunnel through the Earth, where a train travels through the tunnel under the influence of gravity. The objective is to demonstrate that the transit time for the train is independent of the specific locations of points A and B on the Earth's surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to integrate the gravitational function to derive velocity and show that transit time remains constant regardless of distance. Some participants suggest using trigonometric relationships to analyze the gravitational force along a chord through the Earth, noting that this force behaves like a harmonic oscillator.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different mathematical approaches to understand the relationship between gravitational force and distance within the tunnel. There is an ongoing request for calculations and clarification on the proportionality of gravitational components, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

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Some participants express difficulty in deriving the relationship between gravitational force and distance, highlighting potential gaps in understanding or missing calculations. There is a request for further elaboration on attempts made by others.

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Homework Statement



The problem is: Consider a tunnel that connects any two points A and B on the spherical Earth (assuming constant density). The tunnel is a vacuum, and the train traveling through the tunnel is traveling on a frictionless track with no engine (i.e. it is just falling through the tunnel). Show that the transit time is independent of the positions (e.g. San Fran to LA, or NYC to Sydney). How long is the ride?

Homework Equations



g=-gradphi
g=-G*integral(dv*rho(r)/r^2[direction vector])
volume integral
a=dv/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing that I can think of is integrating the function that determines the g value to get the velocity and somehow showing that has a constant time not dependent on the distance that the "train" travels. Could anyone give me some insight? Thanks in advance.
 
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The magnitude of g at a radius r is linearly proportional to r since the mass contained is proportional to r^3. Now draw a chord passing through the Earth and use trig to find the component of g parallel to the chord as a function of distance from the center of the chord. You will find that it is a linear function of the distance and the constant of proportionality is the same for all chords. They are all harmonic oscillators with the same spring constant.
 
Dick said:
The magnitude of g at a radius r is linearly proportional to r since the mass contained is proportional to r^3. Now draw a chord passing through the Earth and use trig to find the component of g parallel to the chord as a function of distance from the center of the chord. You will find that it is a linear function of the distance and the constant of proportionality is the same for all chords. They are all harmonic oscillators with the same spring constant.


Can you please show the calculation. I tried the question, but I'm not getting the component as directly proportional to distance from mean position. Please reply as soon as possible.
 
particlemania said:
Can you please show the calculation. I tried the question, but I'm not getting the component as directly proportional to distance from mean position. Please reply as soon as possible.

I think it would be much better if you would show your attempt first.
 

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