Problem involving two Ice Skaters' Positions

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The problem involves two ice skaters on a frictionless surface who push apart from one another. One skater has a significantly greater mass than the other, and the question focuses on determining how far the lighter skater has moved from their original position after they are a distance d apart.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and the relationship between the velocities of the two skaters. There is an exploration of how to express the distances traveled by each skater in terms of their masses and the total distance d.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into using ratios to simplify the problem, noting that the distances traveled by the skaters are related by their mass ratio. There is recognition of the challenge posed by multiple unknowns, and participants are engaging in a constructive dialogue about the relationships involved.

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The original poster expresses difficulty in arriving at the expected solution despite understanding the momentum conservation principle. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the unknowns in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two skaters on a frictionless pond push apart from one another. One skater has mass M much greater than the mass m of the second skater. After some time the two skaters are a distance d apart. How far has the lighter moved from original position.

The answer is somehow d((M)/(M+m))

Homework Equations



conservation of momentum, delta x = v*time

The Attempt at a Solution



I understand the two skaters have equal but opposite momentum after they push each other.

so M*v1 = m*v2

and the position of is given by x2 = v2*t = M/m*v1

d = x2 - x1

... whenever I try to substitute for v2*t, I get an answer of d... I just can't seem to get the solution they get...
 
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You can use the conservation of momentum to find the RATIO of the velocity of the heavier skater to the velocity of the lighter skater. The former will be moving more slowly than the latter by this ratio. Therefore, in the same amount of time, the distances traveled by each skater will also be related by this ratio.

You also know that the sum of these two distances has to add up to d, which means that you have two equations in two unknowns and can solve.
 
Thank you so much! Ratios make everything easier. I was getting bogged down by too many unknowns. I am glad I joined PF.
 
Cocagola said:
Thank you so much! Ratios make everything easier.

Umm, well that's basically what you were doing in your attempt anyway (you even wrote that v2 = M/m*v1, so you had the ratio, you just didn't add it to your post until after I had already replied). So I don't think I told you anything new, but if I somehow helped, then I am glad.
 

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