Problem on Energy Density in Dielectric Medium

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The discussion centers on the derivation of energy density in a dielectric medium, specifically the relationship U = 1/2 E·D. The user expresses confusion regarding the tutorial's assertion that the surface term can be neglected when considering a dielectric of finite extent, leading to the equation δW = -∫∇φ·(δD)d³r. They seek clarification on why the surface integral vanishes, especially when considering the limit as the volume approaches infinity. The user notes that while many peers accept the energy density formula without question, they are looking for a deeper understanding of its implications regarding local quantities versus the potential's behavior at infinity. The conversation highlights the complexities involved in understanding energy density in dielectric materials.
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I'm reading this tutorial and having some difficulty in understanding its derivation.

I take as granted that electric energy within a volume \Omega is defined by:

W = \int_\Omega \phi \cdot \rho \cdot d^3r

where \phi = \phi(\textbf{r}) is the eletric potential, \rho = \rho(\textbf{r}) is the charge density and d^3r \stackrel{\Delta}{=} volume element. Now that the energy density is defined by

U = \phi \cdot \rho

To my understanding, the tutorial is trying to show that

U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E}\cdot \textbf{D}

where \textbf{E} = \textbf{E}(\textbf{r}) is eletric field strength and \textbf{D} = \epsilon_0 \textbf{E} + \textbf{P} is the electric displacement (FYI: definition of electric displacement if needed).

Now that the tutorial begines with introducing a change of free charge density (\delta\rho_f) and yielding a change of total energy (within the volume I SUPPOSE):

\delta W = \int_\Omega \phi \cdot (\delta\rho_f) \cdot d^3r \; -- \; (1)

then by \nabla \textbf{D} = \rho_f equation (1) reduces to

\int_\Omega \phi \cdot \nabla (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r

= \int_\Omega \nabla (\phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D})) \cdot d^3r - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r

= \int_{\partial\Omega} \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d\textbf{S} - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r \; -- \; (2)

where use has been made of Integration by Parts and Divergence Theorem. I'm fine with the derivation by far.

Here comes the part that I don't understand. The tutorial says "If the dielectric medium is of finite spatial extent then we can neglect the surface term to give \delta W = - \int_\Omega \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3r" which implies that \int_{\partial\Omega} \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d\textbf{S} = 0.

This doesn't seem trivial to me. I consulted some of my friends majored in Physics but most of them just took U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E}\cdot \textbf{D} as granted when using it and some are still trying to help.

Hope I can get luck in this forum, any help will be appreciated :)
 
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I suppose you have to consider the limit Omega to infinity.
 
@DrDu, sorry I can't see why considering \Omega to infinity will explain the equation, and as I quoted from the tutorial "If the dielectric medium is of finite spatial extent then we can neglect the surface term to give \delta W = - \int \nabla \phi \cdot (\delta \textbf{D}) \cdot d^3 r". Would you further explain the idea of introducing infinity here?
 
I think if the sources of ##\delta D## are in a finite region then the gradient of the potential and ##\delta D## will decay rapidly enough at infinity so that the surface integral vanishes in the limit ##r \to \infty##.
 
Oh I see, just checked the tutorial again and it does say that the integration is taken over all space. However another problem comes if ##\Omega## defined like so -- does it mean that ## U = \frac{1}{2} \textbf{E} \cdot \textbf{D} ## is only correct when the definition of "electric energy density" is with respect to all space? I suppose that energy density is a term describing a local quantity which is irrelevant to the micro space extent.
 
At least, E and D are local quantities, in contrast to phi.
 
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