Problem Solving with Probability

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word "BOOKKEEPER," focusing on different selection scenarios and the implications of letter repetition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods for calculating arrangements, questioning the use of factorials and permutations. There are discussions about the distinct letters and their repetitions, as well as the implications of selecting different numbers of letters.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, checking each other's reasoning and calculations. Some have provided corrections and clarifications regarding the arrangement of letters and the necessity of considering indistinguishable letters. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach parts (b) and (c) of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the correct spelling and letter count in "BOOKKEEPER," which has led to adjustments in participants' calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the arrangement rules for indistinguishable letters.

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Hi, I just need people to check my work.
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a) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER.
I did [tex]\frac{10!}{2!2!3!}[/tex]
which is 151200.

b) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER if you select at most 3.
I did [tex]\frac{10P_3}{2!2!3!}[/tex]
which is 30.


c) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER if you select only 5.
I did [tex]\frac{10C_5}{2!2!3!}[/tex]
which is 10.5.
I know c) can't be a decimel.
 
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for part a),
How many distinct letters make up the word BOOKEEPER?
What is the repetition number of each letter?
 
You have the following letters:

1 B
2 Os
1 K
3 Es
1 R

So you can rearrange the Os and the Es. There are Two ways to rearrange the Os and Six ways to rearrange the Es. and 2 * 6 is 12. Is that not right?

Do you have to spell Bookeeper or can they be in any order?
 
There are 6 distinct letters make up the word BOOKEEPER and the repetition number of each letter are lised below.
B O K E P R
1 2 1 3 1 1

I don't see how this helps me answer the question though.

EDIT:Oh, I made a mistake there, I don't know why I had another 2!. I just edited my work, is it alright now?

Thanks :)
 
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how did you come up with 10! in the numerator?

(how many letters are in the word BOOKEEPER ?)
 
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TheCavortr said:
You have the following letters:

1 B
2 Os
1 K
3 Es
1 R

So you can rearrange the Os and the Es. There are Two ways to rearrange the Os and Six ways to rearrange the Es. and 2 * 6 is 12. Is that not right?

Do you have to spell Bookeeper or can they be in any order?
The question asks to count the number of distinct arrangments of the word BOOKEEPER.
So for example one such arrangement is OEBEPKORE and another is ROOKEEPEB.
Notice if we swap the positions of the O's in the last example we obtain the same arrangement as before. This is because the O's are considered indestinguishable, we can not tell one O from the other. Same thing with the E's.
 
Oh, the reason why I had 10! and another 2! was because it was suppose to spell BOOKKEEPER with 2 K's. I was addled with the lettering of the word.

EDIT:
I just changed it, is c) correct?
 
Raza said:
Oh, the reason why I had 10! and another 2! was because it was suppose to spell BOOKKEEPER with 2 K's. I was addled with the lettering of the word.

EDIT:
I just changed it, is c) correct?
Ok, adding that extra K makes your original answer to part (a) correct. As its written now though, you forgot to edit back in the extra factor of 2! in the denominator. Obviously I didn't know how to spell BOOKKEEPER either :biggrin:

I would do (c) first, and then use similar methods to solve (b).

Obviously, as you stated, part (c) is incorrect as the answer can not be rational.
suppose we want to calculate the number of arrangements of BOOKE, then using the methods from part (a), we get that this equals,
[tex]\frac{5!}{2!} = 60[/tex]

now let's do the same for BOOEE, we get
[tex]\frac{5!}{2!2!} = 30[/tex]

To get all possible arrangements of size 5 from the word BOOKKEEPER, we must perform this calculation for each of the possible ways of selecting 5 letters from BOOKKEEPER, and add our results. Also keep in mind that BOOKE (selecting the first K and third E), is the same as BOOKE (selecting the second K and first E) because the K's and E's are indestinguishable.
 
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