Problems i just can't conquer.

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The discussion revolves around two mathematical problems: the first involves finding the indefinite integral of a function, specifically (1 - cos(6t))/2, while the second concerns maximizing the area of a rectangular region fenced for dog kennels using 100 feet of fencing. Participants are exploring integration techniques and optimization methods in calculus.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the function, with some questioning the original poster's interpretation and approach. There are suggestions to rewrite the integral in a more manageable form. For the second problem, there is confusion about the perimeter versus area, and participants are attempting to derive equations for both the perimeter and area, while also discussing critical points for optimization.

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Several participants have offered guidance on the integration process and the setup for the area maximization problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct equations and methods to approach both problems, with no clear consensus yet on the optimal solutions or methods.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework assignments, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a noted confusion regarding the definitions of perimeter and area in the context of the second problem.

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1) Find the Indefinite Integral.

(1-cos(6t)/2)dt

I have the first part: 1t-sin (3t^2)
I'm not really sure about the (3t^2) part, then after that I'm lost.

2)A vet has 100ft of fencing to construct 6 dog kennels by building a fence around a rectangular region, and then subdividing into 6 smaller rectangles by placing 5 fences parallel to on of the sides. What dimensions of the region will maximize the total area?

So i made a rectangle, split it up into 6 squares labeling each vertical section "y", and each horizontal section "x"
the perimeter equation would be P=13x+7y. Would the Area be 100ft since that's all he has to work with?

Thanks in advance.
 
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For the first part, are you trying to integrate just the following, because i am a lill bit confused:

[tex]\int\frac{1-cos(6t)}{2}dt[/tex] right??

If so then this is just a tabelar integral since you can rewrite it in the form

[tex]\int\frac{1-cos(6t)}{2}dt=\frac{1}{2}\int dt-\frac{1}{2}\int cos(6t)dt=...?[/tex]

Can you do this part now? if this was what you were asking at first place.
 
ph0bolus,

See sutupidmath's explanation for your first problem. (I have no idea where [itex]3t^{2}[/itex] came from).

As for your second problem:
100ft of fencing is not area that will be fenced in, but the physical fence. Meaning that your total perimeter will be 100. so one of your equations will be 100=sum(sides). there are 6 divisions on one side and 7 perpendicular divisions, therefore 12x+7y=100. You want to maximize the area so you need an equation for the area: A=side*side or A=y*6x (I chose y as the divisions and x as the sides). Do you see what to do from here?
 
I think he tried to use the power rule for integrals in the function 'inside' the cos function.
 
Would the first one be [tex]\frac{1}{2}x[/tex]_[tex]\frac{sin(6t)}{6}[/tex]?

I have in my notes that [tex]\int cos(kx)dx= \frac{sin(kx)}{k}[/tex]+C

For the second i have y=[tex]\frac{100-12x}{7}[/tex]

so the area would A=[tex]\frac{600-72x^{2}}{7}[/tex]

Would i take the derivative of the Area, set the top and bottom to 0 to find the critical points and that's how i find the maximum area?
 
ph0bolus said:
Would the first one be [tex]\frac{1}{2}x[/tex]_[tex]\frac{sin(6t)}{6}[/tex]?
NOt really! Just be careful to add a constant C, and also make sure to factor 1/2 out.
 
sutupidmath said:
NOt really! Just be careful to add a constant C, and also make sure to factor 1/2 out.

Factor out the 1/2?
 
Did you forget about the factor of 1/2 outside the integral?
 
What would i do with it? just subtract it from the sin(6t)/t?
 
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[tex]\int\frac{1-cos(6t)}{2}dt=\frac{1}{2}\int dt-\frac{1}{2}\int cos(6t)dt=\frac{1}{2}\left(t-\frac{1}{6}sin(6t)\right) +C[/tex]
 
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ph0bolus said:
For the second i have y=[tex]\frac{100-12x}{7}[/tex]

so the area would A=[tex]\frac{600-72x^{2}}{7}[/tex]

Would i take the derivative of the Area, set the top and bottom to 0 to find the critical points and that's how i find the maximum area?

First of all you need to review your arithmetic.

Second, look at the equation for the area now. It's an upside down parabola. For what value of x would the maximum area occur?

Review your notes on optimization if you still don't see it.
 

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