Projectile Motion (Angles of projection problem)

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The discussion focuses on determining two angles of projection for directing water from a fire hose to a fire, given a flow speed of 55 ft/s and no air friction. The user attempts to solve for the first angle below the x-axis using equations of motion, but encounters confusion regarding the vertical velocity calculations. Corrections are made to the vertical velocity equation, and the user seeks clarification on their method for finding the second angle. A suggestion is provided to simplify the calculations by using a specific formula to derive a quadratic equation for both angles, one above and one below the horizon. The conversation highlights the complexities of projectile motion and the importance of accurate equation application.
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Homework Statement


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The fireman wishes to direct the flow of water from his hose to the fire at B.

Determine two possible angles θ1 and θ2 at which this can be done. Water flows from the hose at v = 55 ft/s.

There is no air friction.

Homework Equations


v = v0 + at
x = x0 + vt
v2 = v^{2}_{0} + 2ax

The Attempt at a Solution


Going to try and find the first angle (below the x-axis).

Components of the velocity:
Vx = 55cosθ1
Vy = 55sinθ1

Horizontal velocity is constant therefore we can find an equation for time:
x = x0 + vt
35 = 0 + (55cosθ1)t
t = 35/55cosθ1

Sub this into an equation for vertical velocity to find v final:
v = v0 + at
v = 55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)

Sub this velocity into another equation for vertical velocity:
v2 = v^{2}_{0} + 2ax
v= v0 + \sqrt{2ax}
(55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)) = 55sinθ1 + \sqrt{2(-32.174)(-20)}
...use algebra to find the angle

I'm not sure if this gives the right answer for the first angle, I hope it does, and I'm unsure as to how to get the second angle. Do I break the question for θ2 into two parts? One equation for the vertical rise and then a second for the fall? I've been figuring this question out more and more as I typed this out (I hope) but it's been bugging me since yesterday, I'm hoping to get some assurance / help from you guys.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi CaptainSMASH, welcome to PF.

v = 55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35) / 55cosθ1)

Check this step. vo*sinθ and g are in the same direction in the first case. You have complicated calculation for the hose directed above the horizon.
 
Thanks :)

I see what I did wrong there, the vertical velocity is actually:
v = -55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35) / 55cosθ1

Therefore:
v= v0 + sqrt(2ax)
(-55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)) = -55sinθ1 + sqrt(2(-32.174)(-20))

I'm still doing this for below the horizon though so when I do algebra for the angle the v's should still cancel.

When I do algebra I get:

θ1 = cos-1(sqrt(2(-32.174)(-20))/(35/55)

..I am bad at this forum code, I simplified it.

Are there any other issues with my method to get θ1?
 
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One more thing.
v^2 = vo^2 + 2ax.
You can't take the square root of above equation and write
v = vo + sqrt(2ax)
 
Ah okay I didn't know that

So if I leave the equation in the form:
v^2 = vo^2 + 2ax

I get:
(-55sinθ - 32.174*(35/55cosθ))^2 = (55sinθ)^2 + 2*(-32.174)(-20)

Which turns into:
419.2cos(θ)^2+2252.18cosθsinθ-1286.96 = 0

Also when I try using the equation x = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2 I get a similar ugly polynomial equation. I feel like I shouldn't need a graphing calculator to do this question..
 
To avoid all these calculations, use the following formula.
-y = -vo*sinθ*t - 1/2*a*t^2
-y = -vosinθ*x/vo*cosθ - 1/2*α*x^2/(vo*cosθ)^2
-y = -x*tanθ - 1/2*a*x^2*sec^2(θ)/vο^2
y = x*tanθ + 1/2*a*x^2*(1 + tan^2(θ))/vο^2
Substitute the values and solve the quadratic to get two values of angle. One above the horizon and the other below the horizon.
 
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