Projectile Motion (Angles of projection problem)

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The problem involves determining two possible angles of projection for a fireman directing water from a hose to a fire, given the initial velocity of the water and the absence of air friction. The context is projectile motion, specifically focusing on angles of projection and the associated kinematic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to find the first angle by breaking down the velocity components and using kinematic equations. They express uncertainty about their calculations and how to approach finding the second angle. Other participants question specific steps in the calculations and suggest clarifications regarding the direction of forces and the use of equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing feedback on specific calculations and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the equations used, and some participants offer guidance on simplifying the problem without reaching a consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of kinematic equations, particularly in the context of vertical and horizontal motion. The original poster expresses concern about the complexity of the calculations and whether they are on the right track. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these points without resolving the problem completely.

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Homework Statement


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The fireman wishes to direct the flow of water from his hose to the fire at B.

Determine two possible angles θ1 and θ2 at which this can be done. Water flows from the hose at v = 55 ft/s.

There is no air friction.

Homework Equations


v = v0 + at
x = x0 + vt
v2 = v^{2}_{0} + 2ax

The Attempt at a Solution


Going to try and find the first angle (below the x-axis).

Components of the velocity:
Vx = 55cosθ1
Vy = 55sinθ1

Horizontal velocity is constant therefore we can find an equation for time:
x = x0 + vt
35 = 0 + (55cosθ1)t
t = 35/55cosθ1

Sub this into an equation for vertical velocity to find v final:
v = v0 + at
v = 55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)

Sub this velocity into another equation for vertical velocity:
v2 = v^{2}_{0} + 2ax
v= v0 + \sqrt{2ax}
(55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)) = 55sinθ1 + \sqrt{2(-32.174)(-20)}
...use algebra to find the angle

I'm not sure if this gives the right answer for the first angle, I hope it does, and I'm unsure as to how to get the second angle. Do I break the question for θ2 into two parts? One equation for the vertical rise and then a second for the fall? I've been figuring this question out more and more as I typed this out (I hope) but it's been bugging me since yesterday, I'm hoping to get some assurance / help from you guys.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi CaptainSMASH, welcome to PF.

v = 55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35) / 55cosθ1)

Check this step. vo*sinθ and g are in the same direction in the first case. You have complicated calculation for the hose directed above the horizon.
 
Thanks :)

I see what I did wrong there, the vertical velocity is actually:
v = -55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35) / 55cosθ1

Therefore:
v= v0 + sqrt(2ax)
(-55sinθ1 + (-32.174)(35/55cosθ1)) = -55sinθ1 + sqrt(2(-32.174)(-20))

I'm still doing this for below the horizon though so when I do algebra for the angle the v's should still cancel.

When I do algebra I get:

θ1 = cos-1(sqrt(2(-32.174)(-20))/(35/55)

..I am bad at this forum code, I simplified it.

Are there any other issues with my method to get θ1?
 
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One more thing.
v^2 = vo^2 + 2ax.
You can't take the square root of above equation and write
v = vo + sqrt(2ax)
 
Ah okay I didn't know that

So if I leave the equation in the form:
v^2 = vo^2 + 2ax

I get:
(-55sinθ - 32.174*(35/55cosθ))^2 = (55sinθ)^2 + 2*(-32.174)(-20)

Which turns into:
419.2cos(θ)^2+2252.18cosθsinθ-1286.96 = 0

Also when I try using the equation x = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2 I get a similar ugly polynomial equation. I feel like I shouldn't need a graphing calculator to do this question..
 
To avoid all these calculations, use the following formula.
-y = -vo*sinθ*t - 1/2*a*t^2
-y = -vosinθ*x/vo*cosθ - 1/2*α*x^2/(vo*cosθ)^2
-y = -x*tanθ - 1/2*a*x^2*sec^2(θ)/vο^2
y = x*tanθ + 1/2*a*x^2*(1 + tan^2(θ))/vο^2
Substitute the values and solve the quadratic to get two values of angle. One above the horizon and the other below the horizon.
 
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