Projectile Motion: Ball A vs. Ball B - Which Reaches Ground First?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the comparison of two balls, A and B, released from the same height, with ball A dropped from rest and ball B given a horizontal force. Participants explore whether the horizontal force affects the time it takes for each ball to reach the ground, examining concepts of projectile motion and the independence of vertical and horizontal motions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that ball A will reach the ground first due to the horizontal force acting on ball B, suggesting it may stay in the air longer.
  • Others argue that both balls fall to the ground at the same time, as horizontal motion does not influence vertical motion.
  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the idea that ball B, moving horizontally, would take longer to reach the ground, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the physics involved.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "multitasking," suggesting that ball B can move downwards and horizontally simultaneously, which they believe does not require additional time.
  • A later reply discusses the possibility of writing equations for the distance and velocity of both balls, asserting that while ball B travels further horizontally, the time of flight remains the same when ignoring air resistance.
  • It is noted that if the horizontal push were not exactly horizontal, the balls would not reach the ground at the same time, indicating a condition that could alter the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the horizontal force affects the time to reach the ground, with some asserting that both balls hit the ground simultaneously while others question this conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of horizontal motion on the time of flight.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the effects of air resistance and the nature of the horizontal force are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of different angles of horizontal force on the time of flight.

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A ball A is released from rest at a height of h and another ball B is provided with a horizontal force at the same height h. Both the balls fall to the ground. Which ball will reach the ground first?

Doesn't ball A reach the ground first because the ball B is applied with a horizontal force and so will remain in air for a longer time...?

Do they both fall to the ground at the same time??
 
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They both fall to the ground at the same time. A force applied in the horizontal direction doesn't affect its motion in the vertical direction.
 
yes but how and why... doesn't it defy conventional wisdom that it will be away from the ground for a longer time?
 
physio said:
yes but how and why... doesn't it defy conventional wisdom that it will be away from the ground for a longer time?

Because the ball that goes away has initial "away" speed. Time for both are equal but the one with "away" property will perform better. It has added capability to go down and away.
 
What do you mean by:-

Time for both are equal but the one with "away" property will perform better. It has added capability to go down and away.

I don't understand...
 
I guess your understanding is that the body has to go down to the ground AND then move forward. So your reasoning that it need more time for 2 motions.

The body can do 2 jobs at a time.
In 1 sec, it can go down and that within that interval also it goes forward.
So if you find a value that it goes down, that interval also it does another job, moving forward.

I call it Multitasking.
 
k thanks..got what you meant! :)
 
If you really wanted to you could write equations for the distance the two balls travel through the air and their velocity. The one given a horizontal push obviously travels further through the air (in a curved path) but it also moves faster through the air due to the extra force acting on it. If you then worked out Time = distance/velocity you would find the extra velocity and extra distance "cancel" so the total time of flight is the same and both balls hit the ground together (ignoring air resistance).

However the maths is a lot easier if you realize that you can work out the vertical and horizontal components separately! This trick can even be used where the horizontal push isn't exactly horizontal. In that case you would work out what the vertical and horizontal components of the push were and then solve the equations for vertical and horizontal motion separately. Obviously in this case the balls would not reach the ground at the same time.

The classic school homework question involves a cannon pointed up at some angle and asks you to work out how far the ball will go. Again the way to approach it it to write separate equations for the vertical and horizontal motion. Remembering that as the ball reaches peak altitude the vertical component of it's velocity is zero and that the flight time both vertically and horizontally is the same.
 
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