Projectile Motion - Niagra Falls

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves projectile motion, specifically analyzing the motion of water as it cascades over Niagara Falls. The original poster is tasked with determining the vertical distance at which the water's velocity vector points downward at a 75° angle below the horizontal, given its initial horizontal speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the time variable, expressing frustration over the presence of multiple unknowns in the equations. Some participants suggest considering the relationship between vertical and horizontal speeds in relation to the angle of 75 degrees. Others explore the use of trigonometric relationships to connect these speeds.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a productive exploration of the problem, with some providing insights into the relationships between the components of motion. There is an ongoing examination of the equations and variables involved, though no consensus has been reached on a complete solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of clarity regarding which equations of motion to apply, indicating that they feel overwhelmed by the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the setup and explore potential pathways to a solution.

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Homework Statement



Suppose the water at the top of Niagara Falls has a horizontal speed of 2.7 m/s just before it cascades over the edge of the falls. At what vertical distance below the edge does the velocity vector of the water point downward at a 75° angle below the horizontal?

x direction

a = 0 m/s

v0x = 2.7 m/s

vfx= 2.7 m/s

x = ?

y direction

ay = -9.80 m/s2

v0y = 0 m/s

vfy = ?

y = ?

Other Info

Angle = 75 degrees below horizontal

t = ?

Homework Equations



Newton's laws of motion...but I'm not exactly sure which ones as it appears there are two variables missing from each one.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm studying for my final this Friday. This question plagued me at the beginning of the term, I never got it. The class moved on, and so did I. But I'm looking at it again and am determined to get it, but am still drawing a blank.

I'd like to find t as that would help significantly, but each equation that I've considered with it has another unknown variable as well.

Kind of flustered...
 
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Imagine a water molecule falling off the edge of the waterfall. What's its vertical speed at time t? What's its horizontal speed? How are the vertical & horizontal speeds related to the 75 degrees?
 
If you do it correctly, you WILL get t.
 
tan-1 = (vy / vx) = 75 degrees
 
Wait...

vy / vx = tan 75

vy = tan 75 (vx)

vy = 10.0765 m/s



vfy = voy + at

vfy - voy / a = t

t = 1.0282 s



y = 1/2 (vfy + voy) t

y = 1/2 (10.0765 m/s + 0 m/s) 1.0282 s

y = 5.18 m ----> 5.2 m with sig figs


Hrm...interesting....
 

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