Projectile Motion of football receiver

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a football receiver running towards a quarterback. The receiver's speed and the angle of the pass are given, and participants are tasked with finding the initial velocity of the football, the time it spends in the air, and the distance between the quarterback and receiver at the moment of the catch.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the decomposition of initial velocity into horizontal and vertical components using trigonometric functions. There are questions about the correctness of equations related to time and velocity, particularly concerning the vertical component and its dependence on gravitational acceleration. Some participants seek clarification on the time represented in their equations and how it relates to the motion of the football.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's equations and reasoning. There is a mix of agreement and confusion regarding the notation and the application of kinematic equations. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, while others are still working through their understanding of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption of no air resistance and are discussing the implications of this assumption on their calculations. There are also indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the use of time variables in their equations.

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Homework Statement


A football receiver running straight downfield at 5.5m/s is 10m in front of the quarterback when a pass is thrown downfield at 25 degrees above the horizon. If the receiver never changes speed and the ball is caught at the same height from which it was thrown find initial velocity of the football, the amount of time it spends in the air, and the distance between the quarterback and receiver when the catch is made.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew a diagram, found Vx=Vo*cos theta and Vy=Vo*sin theta. I also came up with the equations t=Vo*sin theta/ 9.81m/s^2 and t/2=delta x/ Vo*cos theta. Am I on the right track?
 
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emilytm said:
I drew a diagram
Good
I found Vx=Vo*cos theta and Vy=Vo*sin theta.
OK [Edit: As @berkeman points out below, the second equation is only correct if Vy represent the y component of initial velocity, V0y.]
I also came up with the equations t=Vo*sin theta/ 9.81m/s^2
What time does this represent? Can you explain how you arrived at this expression?
 
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emilytm said:

Homework Statement


A football receiver running straight downfield at 5.5m/s is 10m in front of the quarterback when a pass is thrown downfield at 25 degrees above the horizon. If the receiver never changes speed and the ball is caught at the same height from which it was thrown find initial velocity of the football, the amount of time it spends in the air, and the distance between the quarterback and receiver when the catch is made.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew a diagram, found Vx=Vo*cos theta and Vy=Vo*sin theta. I also came up with the equations t=Vo*sin theta/ 9.81m/s^2 and t/2=delta x/ Vo*cos theta. Am I on the right track?
Welcome to the PF.

Can you post how you came up with the last parts? Vy=Vo*sin theta is not right because the vertical velocity as a function of time depends on the acceleration of gravity.

On my initial sketch, I've assumed no air resistance, so the angle of the ball being caught matches the launch angle. The y height matches the initial thrown height (that gives an equation in y), and the equation in x involves the speed and initial position of the receiver. Can you post those equations as part of your work? :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Vy=Vo*sin theta is not right
Oh, you probably meant to write Vyo=Vo*sin theta, not Vy(t) =Vo*sin theta. It's important to write the equations for x(t) and Vy(t) and y(t) as part of your solution...

EDIT / ADD -- Oops, I missed that TSny had posted... :smile:
 
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TSny said:
Good
OK [Edit: As @berkeman points out below, the second equation is only correct if Vy represent the y component of initial velocity, V0y.]
What time does this represent? Can you explain how you arrived at this expression?

It represented the time when the football was at maximum height.
TSny said:
Good
OK [Edit: As @berkeman points out below, the second equation is only correct if Vy represent the y component of initial velocity, V0y.]
What time does this represent? Can you explain how you arrived at this expression?

Yes I did mean to write Vyo.
I found time from the equation: delta x=Vo*cos theta*t.
 
For the first equation for time, I used Vy=Vyo+ay*t at Vy=0 and Vyo=Vo*sin theta (time at max height which is half the total time).

For the second equation, I used delta x=Vo*cos theta*t for total time.
 
emilytm said:
For the first equation for time, I used Vy=Vyo+ay*t at Vy=0 and Vyo=Vo*sin theta (time at max height which is half the total time).
OK, good.

For the second equation, I used delta x=Vo*cos theta*t for total time.
OK, but I'm a little confused with your notation in your first post. You used the symbol t for the time to reach maximum height. Then it looks like you used t/2 for the time in the Δx equation. That is, it looks like you used half the time to reach maximum height for the time in the Δx equation.
 
TSny said:
OK, good.

OK, but I'm a little confused with your notation in your first post. You used the symbol t for the time to reach maximum height. Then it looks like you used t/2 for the time in the Δx equation. That is, it looks like you used half the time to reach maximum height for the time in the Δx equation.

Oh, I see what you mean. It should have been just t in the delta x equation and t/2 in the other equation, t representing total time.
 
emilytm said:
Okay, I think I figured it out. I plugged in t=2Vo*sin theta/a into the equation delta y=Vyo*t+(1/2)at^2 and I got Vo=11.6 and t=2.37s.
I don't think it's possible to obtain Vo this way. Can you show more details of your calculation?

I do agree that the total flight time of the football is 2Vo*sin θ/|a|, where |a| is the magnitude of the acceleration.

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I forgot to square t. I think I am just going to get in person help on this. Thank you for your help!
 

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