Projectile motion, radii of trajectory

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The discussion revolves around projectile motion, specifically focusing on the curvature radius of the trajectory at different points, including the initial point and the peak. Participants explore the relationship between time of ascent and descent, as well as the forces acting on the projectile.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the curvature radius at the initial point and peak, questioning the correctness of their calculations. Some express a desire to understand the relationship between ascent and descent times without explicit calculations, while others explore the forces responsible for curvature.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to projectile motion, with participants providing insights into the relationships between different variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equality of ascent and descent times based on physical interpretation, but no consensus has been reached on all points raised.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. The focus is on understanding the physical principles rather than deriving explicit solutions.

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Homework Statement



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For part (d),
The curvature radius of trajectory at its
1) initial point = horizontal range/2 =( v02 sin (2α))/2g
2) peak = height of ascent/2 = ( v0 sinα)2 /2g

Is this correct?

In this problem, the time of ascent is equal to the time of descent.
Is there anyway to find it out without calculating the time of ascent and the time of descent ?
 
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vy (t) = v0 sinα - gt
vx (t) = v0 cosα

tan (θ) = vy (t) / vx (t) = tan α - gt/(v0 cosα)

a = g(- ## \hat y##)
wτ = g sinθ (- ## \hat θ##),
wn = g cosθ (- ## \hat r##)

Is this correct so far?
 
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Pushoam said:
In this problem, the time of ascent is equal to the time of descent.
Is there anyway to find it out without calculating the time of ascent and the time of descent ?
You can put (vertical) displacement=0 in the y-displacement equation. It's a quadratic equation.
 
cnh1995 said:
You can put (vertical) displacement=0 in the y-displacement equation. It's a quadratic equation.
This will give me the total time of motion and this, too, I will have to calculate.
I want to show :
time of ascent = time of descent without doing calculation, just on the basis of physical interpretation of the problem
Is this possible?
 
Pushoam said:
time of ascent = time of descent without doing calculation, just on the basis of physical interpretation of the problem
Is this possible?
Yes.
Your x component of velocity doesn't change. And during ascent, you start with non-zero velocity and end up with zero velocity while during descent, you start with zero velocity and end up with the initial velocity. Displacement is same in both the cases and the motion is under the influence of the same force, i.e. gravity.
The time a body takes to go up to a certain height is equal to the time it takes to free fall from the same height.
 
Pushoam said:
) initial point = horizontal range/2 =( v02 sin (2α))/2g
2) peak = height of ascent/2 = ( v0 sinα)2 /2g
You need to consider the centripetal forces responsible for the curvature here.
Which force is responsible for the curvature when the body is at the peak? How much is that force?
 
cnh1995 said:
You need to consider the centripetal forces responsible for the curvature here.
Which force is responsible for the curvature when the body is at the peak? How much is that force?
When the body is at the initial point,

mv02 /Ri = mg cosα
Ri = v02/g cosα

When the body is at the peak,
m(v0 cosα)2 /Rp = mg
Rp = (v0 cosα)2/g

Is this correct?
 
Pushoam said:
When the body is at the initial point,

mv02 /Ri = mg cosα
Ri = v02/g cosα

When the body is at the peak,
m(v0 cosα)2 /Rp = mg
Rp = (v0 cosα)2/g

Is this correct?
Yes.
 
What about the next question given in post 2?
 
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Pushoam said:
a = g(- ^yy^ \hat y)
wτ = g sinθ (- ^θθ^ \hat θ),
wn = g cosθ (- ^rr^ \hat r)
Correct. So now you can draw the approximate plot of the tangential and normal acceleration.
You know their values at t=0, t=T/2 and t=T.
 

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