Projectile motion skateboarder throws a ball

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The problem involves a skateboarder throwing a ball vertically while moving horizontally. The skateboarder throws the ball with an initial vertical velocity of 4 m/s and a horizontal velocity of 5 m/s. The questions focus on determining the initial velocity of the ball, the time of flight, and the horizontal distance traveled when the ball is caught.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial velocity of the ball in vector form and question how to incorporate both horizontal and vertical components into their calculations. There is exploration of kinematic equations to find the time of flight and horizontal distance.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using kinematic equations to find the time of flight and have confirmed the initial velocity vector. Multiple interpretations of the angle of projection are being explored, and some have successfully calculated the time of flight.

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There is mention of using specific equations from class that require the initial velocity in Cartesian form, which has led to some confusion among participants. The discussion also reflects on the assumptions regarding the angle of projection and the independence of horizontal and vertical motion.

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A student skateboarding at a constant speed of 5m/s throws ball vertically into the air at 4m/s. She catches the ball as it returns to the ground. Let the ball be released from her hand at time t=0, the moment she passes the marker.

A) What is the initial velocity of the ball?

B) How long is the ball in the air (time of flight)?

C) How far past the marker is the student when she catches the ball (Range)? (Assume she catches the ball at the same height she throws it)

I'm sure that the initial velocity is 5i + 4j.

And i can get to,

a = -9.8j
v = -9.8t j + c
v(0) = c = ucos90 i + usin90 j
v = ucos90 i + (usin90 - 9.8t) j
(angle is 90 as thrown straight up, i hope)

In this case I am not sure how to incorporate the initial velocity into it
Im sure if i got A) i could get the rest.

Hopefully someone can help.
 
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The initial angle of projection is going to be [itex]arctan (4/5)[/itex] is it not? Since it has the initial velocity of 5i + 4j. If the angle was 90, then the person would not be moving sideways.

To work out the time of flight, consider the displacement rather than the velocity and solve for time.

If you have the time, then it is simply time*5 to get the horizontal distance from the marker.
 
man_united_number_1 said:
A student skateboarding at a constant speed of 5m/s throws ball vertically into the air at 4m/s. She catches the ball as it returns to the ground. Let the ball be released from her hand at time t=0, the moment she passes the marker.

A) What is the initial velocity of the ball?

B) How long is the ball in the air (time of flight)?

C) How far past the marker is the student when she catches the ball (Range)? (Assume she catches the ball at the same height she throws it)

I'm sure that the initial velocity is 5i + 4j.

And i can get to,

a = -9.8j
v = -9.8t j + c
v(0) = c = vcos90 i + vsin90 j
v = vcos90 i + (vsin90 - 9.8t) j
(angle is 90 as thrown straight up, i hope)

In this case I am not sure how to incorporate the initial velocity into it
Im sure if i got A) i could get the rest.

Hopefully someone can help.

The inital velocity is indeed 5i + 4j. I would leave it in the form as it makes answering the rest of the question easier. You have a velocity in unit vector form, i is horizontal and j is vertical. Consider these two components totally independantly.

As you correctly said in the j direction, there is only one acceleration (that due to gravity). Knowing the intial vertical velocity, the acceleration and the final displacement of the ball can you use kinematic equations to find the flight time?

~H
 
The equations we have been doing in class have us using the initial velocity in cartesian form, ie. 5m/s.

Therefore I am having trouble using the initial velocity in the form it is in.

maybe this...

v(0) = c = ucos90 i + usin90 j + 5i + 4j
v = (ucos90 +5)i + (usin90 - 9.8t + 4)j

and maybe u would equal the mod of 5i + 4j, which would equal root 41 m/s.

?

Once i find an equation for the position vector, r(t), i should be fine.
 
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Okay, I'll set up an equation for you.

In the vertical direction;

vi = 4 m.s-1
a = - 9.81 m.s-2
s = 0 m

Now using the kinematic equation;

[tex]s = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]

Can you find the time of flight (t)?

~H
 
finchie_88 said:
The initial angle of projection is going to be [itex]arctan (4/5)[/itex] is it not? Since it has the initial velocity of 5i + 4j. If the angle was 90, then the person would not be moving sideways.
Relative to the person on the skate board the initial angle is, indeed, 90 degrees. The time the ball takes to return to the person's hand can be calculated entirely in terms of the vertical speed and acceleration.
 
0 = 4t + 1/2 x -9.8 x t^2
0 = 4t - 4.9t^2
4.9t^2 = 4t
t = 4/4.9
t = 0.816 secs
 
man_united_number_1 said:
0 = 4t + 1/2 x -9.8 x t^2
0 = 4t - 4.9t^2
4.9t^2 = 4t
t = 4/4.9
t = 0.816 secs

Spot on. So you've now answered question (b). For question (c), all you need to find now is how far the ball would travel horizontally with a velocity of 5 m.s-1 in 0.816 seconds.

~H
 

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