Proof again: Show that a mod m = b mod m if a = b (mod m)

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The discussion revolves around proving that \( a \mod m = b \mod m \) if \( a \equiv b \mod m \), where \( m \) is a positive integer. The subject area is modular arithmetic and congruences.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definitions of congruence and modular arithmetic, questioning the necessity of a formal proof. Some suggest that the definitions imply no proof is needed, while others attempt to articulate the relationship between congruence and remainders.

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There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and interpretations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the need for a proof. Guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of congruence and the meaning of modular operations, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of a formal proof.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the definitions of congruence and modular arithmetic, with some expressing confusion about how to proceed with the proof. There is a focus on the relationship between remainders and congruence.

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Homework Statement



Let m be a positive integer. Show that a mod m = b mod m if a\,\equiv\,b\left(mod\,m\right).



Homework Equations



Congruency - a\,\equiv\,b\left(mod\,m\right)

a is congruent to b modulo m.



The Attempt at a Solution



I really, really, really suck at proofs. But here is what I tried.

a\,\equiv\,b\left(mod\,m\right)\,\longrightarrow\,a\,mod\,m\,\equiv\,\left[b\left(mod\,m\right)\right]\,\left(mod\,m\right)

I have no idea how to prove anything about this stuff. Please help!
 
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Why are you trying to prove it using symbols?

Q. What does it mean in words for a to be congruent to b mod m?
Q. What is a mod m, and what is b mod m?

The definitions of these things mean there is *nothing* here that needs to be proved.
 
a is congruent to b mod m if m divides (a - b).

a mod m is the remainder of the division operation of \frac{a}{m}.

b mod m is the remainder of the division operation of \frac{b}{m}.
 
Does this count as "showing" a mod m \equiv b mod m?

a\,\equiv\,b\left(mod\,m\right)\,\longrightarrow\,a\,mod\,m\,\equiv\,\left[b\left(mod\,m\right)\right]\,\left(mod\,m\right)

By definition of mod m and congruence mod m,

b(mod\,m)(mod\,m)\,\equiv\,b

So,

a(mod\,m)\,\equiv\,b

Then,

a\,\equiv\,\left[a(mod\,m)\right](mod\,m)\,\equiv\,a

Q.E.D.
 
Put it *simple* words. Phrases that involve the words: remainder on division by m. a=b mod m if and only if a and b have the same remainder on division by m. That's what modulo arithmetic. So, as you see, there is nothing to prove. a mod m is the remainder on division by m.

So all it is asking is: show that if a and b have the same remainder on division by m, then the remainder of a on division by m is the same as the remainder of b on division by m. So there isn nothing to prove beyond writing out the definitions.
 
a mod m is the remainder after a is divided by m.

a mod m and b mod m are equal if and only if their remainders are the same.

m divides (a - b) <---- What do I do with this?

Is that really it?
 
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VinnyCee said:
m divides (a - b) <---- What do I do with this?

nothing

Is that really it?
yes.
 
Review the definitions.

What is the mathematical definition of a \equiv b \mbox{ (mod m)}?
 

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