Proof of convergence (intro topology)

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the series \(\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |x_{i}y_{i}|\) given that \(x\) and \(y\) are elements of the space \(l^2\). Participants explore the properties of \(l^2\) and the implications of convergence in infinite-dimensional spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality in infinite dimensions and its relevance to the problem. There are attempts to relate the convergence of individual series to the product series. Questions arise about the necessity of absolute convergence and the implications of convergence for products of series.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using inequalities to establish convergence, while others have raised concerns about the assumptions being made regarding absolute convergence. There is an ongoing exploration of algebraic identities that could assist in proving convergence, with some participants expressing newfound understanding as the discussion progresses.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of finding resources on \(l^2\) and its properties, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Show that if x = (x1, x2,...) and y = (y1, y2,...) are members of l^2, then

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |x_{i}y_{i}|

Converges

Homework Equations



My book defines l^2 to be:

{ x=(x_{1}, x_{2}, ... ) \in ℝ^{\omega} : \sum^{\infty}_{i=1} (x_{i})^{2} converges }

(should be set brackets around that, don't know why they don't show up.)

The Attempt at a Solution



Concerns:

-I have no idea if Cauchy-Schwarts inequality actually holds in an infinite dimensional space, and can't find any information regarding whether it does or not.

-I can't think of any way to relate my last line to the expression I am showing convergence for.

-I have no idea if just because two series are convergent, then their product is convergent. I assumed it was anyway.

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Proof:

Since x and y are both members of l^2,

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} (x_{i})^{2}

and
\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} (y_{i})^{2}

converge.

Then, the root of these series must converge too. The roots of these series are the norms of x and y.

So, ||x|| and ||y|| converge.

The Cauchy-Schwarts inequality states that

|x \cdot y| \leq ||x|| ||y||


Since ||x|| ||y|| converges, so does |x (dot) y|

SCRATCH that!

I thought that was so because of the comparison test for convergent series, but the comparison test requires a comparison to be made between the terms of the series, not the series themselves...

So, I'm at square one.

Any help with this one?
 
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hmm I think trying first to prove the convergence of (x + y)^2 would be a good start..
 
Could you shed some light on the three concerns I've outlined? I'm really shooting around in the dark here, I don't know how to show (x+y)^2 converges. I've never done a single proof regarding convergence before.
 
No ideas?
 
Use the inequality ##2ab \leq a^2 + b^2## for real numbers ##a## and ##b##.

That said, Cauchy-Schwarz is valid for infinite dimensional space such as ##\ell^2##, but then you need to prove it.
 
Hmm OK, I see where you're going with that. I'm away from all my books now, but is going to look like:

Square each series, it converges (because they are absolutely convergent?) add the two convergent series, then due to your inequality I can use the comparison test and confirm that 2xy converges, then so does xy, and the series xy is exactly the dot product?
 
Why do you use absolute convergence? You don't know that your series converge absolutely.
 
I don't, but I wouldn't know how to proceed if they aren't. What I've read says that if a is convergent and b is convergent, I can only say that ab is convergent if a or b converges absolutely.
 
You know ##\sum|x_n|^2## converges. Isn't that enough?
 
  • #10
Ohh, yes it is. I forgot that exponent was in the l^2 criteria.
 
  • #11
Okay, now I've learned a lot. From now one, when I'm attempting to prove convergence, I'll try to look for an algebraic identity that allows me to compare first.

Since x and y are members of l^2,

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} (x_{i})^{2}
\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} (y_{i})^{2}

both converge.

Since members of l^2 are points in R^omega, we know that xi and yi are real numbers, so

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |x_{i}|^{2}
\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |y_{i}|^{2}

both converge, since k^2 = |k|^2 for any real.

The sum of two convergent series also converges.

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |x_{i}|^{2} + |y_{i}|^{2}

Consider that

(a-b)^{2} \geq 0
\Rightarrow a^{2} - 2ab + b^{2} \geq 0
\Rightarrow a^{2} + b^{2} \geq 2ab.

This inequality let's us say that

|x_{i}|^{2} + |y_{i}|^{2} \geq 2|x_{i}||y_{i}|

Then, by the comparison convergence test,

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} 2|x_{i}||y_{i}|

converges.

Since a convergent series multiplied by a constant is still convergent, and |n||m| = |nm|, we can say that

\sum^{\infty}_{i=1} |x_{i}y_{i}|

converges, which was the goal.
 
  • #12
That's it!
 
  • #13
Thanks again
 
  • #14
I've been trying to find more info on this l^2 set but googling doesn't work very well. Does it have another name?

I'm wondering if it is defined this way because it makes many metrics and the operation above (which is not a metric, but is related to a basic operation) work.
 

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