Proof of extra dimension from primordial BHs

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The discussion revolves around the concept of extra dimensions in the context of primordial black holes and their potential observable effects. Participants explore theoretical implications, interpretations of scientific articles, and the nature of dimensions themselves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a New Scientist article suggesting that the explosive evaporation of primordial mini-black holes could provide evidence for extra dimensions.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about how the size of a dimension can be defined, questioning the measurability of dimensions as degrees of freedom.
  • Another participant uses the analogy of an ant on a garden hose to illustrate the concept of dimensions having "size," particularly in the context of string theory and the idea of curled-up dimensions.
  • Further analogies are presented, such as comparing the dimensions of a piece of paper to emphasize that what appears two-dimensional may actually have additional dimensions that are not easily perceived.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of dimensions and their measurability, with no consensus reached on how to conceptualize the size of dimensions or the implications of the article discussed.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of dimensions, particularly regarding their physical representation and the implications of string theory. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and analogies without resolving the underlying conceptual questions.

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That's an interesting article, here's something I don't understand in the article:

By analysing the frequency of the pulse, scientists could calculate the size of the extra dimension, which could lend insight into which cosmological model best describes the universe. "The size of the black string is directly related to the size of the extra dimension at the time of the explosion," Kavic says.

How does a dimension have size?! A dimension is a degree of freedom of movement - it's not exactly a measurable quantity is it?
 
Helical said:
How does a dimension have size?! A dimension is a degree of freedom of movement - it's not exactly a measurable quantity is it?

Think about an ant crawling on an infinitely long garden hose. It has two degrees of movement, X and Y. If it walks along the X dimension, it can keep walking forever. But if it walks along the Y dimension, it can only go about an inch or so before it comes back to its starting point. We can think of the Y dimension as having a "size", or being "small", because although the ant has freedom of movement in that direction, it doesn't have much.

String theory people think of the universe as being ten-dimensional, but they (usually) think that six of the dimensions are "curled up", like the surface of the garden hose. This is how they explain that we don't observe those dimensions-- they are curled up VERY small, like the distance you can travel in that dimension is on the Planck scale and thus undetectable. Sometimes string theorists talk about specialized versions of string theory with "large extra dimensions". When they say "large" in this case they mean, like, a millimeter.
 
Helical said:
How does a dimension have size?! A dimension is a degree of freedom of movement - it's not exactly a measurable quantity is it?

If you look at a piece of paper, it seems to be completely two-dimensional. In reality, it's just really thin and if you zoom in on it, you can tell that it obviously has thickness.

So even if it looks like it only has an X and Y dimension, it also has a Z dimension. The idea is that if you zoom up on space-time, you will be able to see other dimensions that are too small for us to normally notice.

This obviously isn't a great analogy, since a piece of paper is an object, not a degree of freedom like you said, but then again humans don't have the capacity to visualize these extra dimensions, so this is the best I can give you. :-p
 

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