Proof of Fibonacci Nth Term: Assumptions & Quadratic Eq.

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the nth term of the Fibonacci sequence, specifically addressing the assumptions made during the derivation and the implications of those assumptions. Participants explore the quadratic equation derived from the recurrence relation and the nature of the solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the assumption that the solution is of the form x^n, questioning how this aligns with the later conclusion that the solution is a linear combination of two roots, x1^n and x2^n.
  • One participant clarifies that the Fibonacci series fits a linear, homogeneous, second-order recurrence relation and derives the quadratic equation x^2 = x + 1 from the assumption of a solution of the form x^n.
  • Another participant notes that both roots of the quadratic equation can be used as solutions to the recurrence relation, but they express uncertainty about how these solutions relate to the initial conditions of the Fibonacci series.
  • Some participants discuss the uniqueness of the Fibonacci sequence being determined by its first two terms, suggesting that this leads to the conclusion that only linear combinations of the two solutions can represent the series.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach using matrix diagonalization to find the nth term directly, indicating a different method of analysis.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the roots, admitting that the initial assumption about integer values was incorrect.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the assumptions and implications of the proof, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved as participants clarify their thoughts and challenge each other's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the argument that establishes the uniqueness of the solutions to the recurrence relation, as well as the dependence on initial conditions. There is also mention of confusion regarding the nature of the roots derived from the quadratic equation.

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I have a doubt regarding its proof. First we assume that solution is of the form x^n-then we solve the quadratic equation and get two values of x-x1 & x2. After that we say solution is of the form ax1^n+bx2^n contradicting our previous assumption that solution is of the form x^n
 
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Avichal said:
I have a doubt regarding its proof. First we assume that solution is of the form x^n-then we solve the quadratic equation and get two values of x-x1 & x2. After that we say solution is of the form ax1^n+bx2^n contradicting our previous assumption that solution is of the form x^n


Are you assuming we'll be able to guess what you're talking about, what's [itex]\,x_n\,[/itex], what quadratic equation you're talking

about, etc., or you really think everybody knows this? I mean, I guess you're talking of the quadratic that has the golden mean

as one of its roots and from which the general term for the n-th Fibonacci element is gotten,. but it'd be nice if you write down

exactly what's bothering you.

DonAntonio
 
Duh, DonAntonio.. its THE Fibonacci nth term proof.
 
It has been a lot of years since we covered this stuff in school...

The Fibonacci series is an example of a sequence that fits a linear, homogeneous, second-order recurrence relation. That is, each term is expressible as:

f(n) = k1 * f(n-1) + k2 * f(n-2)

For the Fibonacci series, k1 = 1 and k2 = 1.

If one assumes that _a_ solution is f(n) = x^n for some x then one can derive from this the quadratic equation:

x^2 = x + 1

Solving this quadratic yields two roots. One is the golden ratio. The other is the negation of the inverse of the golden ratio. And indeed, both roots work as values for x such that x^n fits the given recurrence relation.

I no longer remember the argument that establishes that these two solutions (and all linear combinations thereof) are the only solutions to the recurrence.
 
jbriggs444 said:
I no longer remember the argument that establishes that these two solutions (and all linear combinations thereof) are the only solutions to the recurrence.

Replying to myself.

One argument is simple: Any particular instance of the Fibonacci series is uniquely determined by its first two terms. Those first two terms also uniquely determine a linear combination of the two solutions that were discovered. It follows that there can be no other solutions.
 
You can also write down the recurrence using a matrix and then diagonalize the matrix.

This allows you to find the n-th term directly.
 
I'll write down my doubt in detail. Fibonacci series is : an = an-1 + an-2. We assume that solution to this equation is of the form an = xn.
Substituting we get x2 - x - 1 = 0 and get two values of x say x1 and x2.

But then we say solution is of the form ax1n + bx2n for some a and b contradicting our previous assumption that solution is xn.
 
I don't think that is how the method is defined. You transform your recursion

into the quadratic you just described.

Actually, it seems clear that the answer would not be of the form

an=xn, since,for one thing, your 1st and 2nd terms are both

equal to 1.

EDIT:For some weird reason, I was assumming the x_i were integer-valued. Clearly, they're not, and

under these conditions, my comments are nonsense. Sorry.
 
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Hi Avichal! :smile:

As jbriggs444 already said:

x1n is a solution of your recurrence relation - without the boundary conditions that the first 2 terms are 1.
So is x2n.
And so is any linear combination thereof.

If you fill in for instance bx2n in the recurrence relation, you should see that it pans out.

The next step is to find out which linear combination fits with the fact that the first 2 terms are 1.
 
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Thank you - its clear now.
 

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