Proof of Group Homework: Ring of 2x2 Matrices over Zp

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The problem involves proving that the set of 2x2 matrices over the ring Zp, where p is a prime, with non-zero determinants forms a group under multiplication. Participants discuss the properties of groups and rings, particularly focusing on closure, associativity, and the existence of an identity element.

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  • Participants explore the similarities between group and ring properties, questioning how to approach the proof. They raise specific questions about the multiplicative identity, associativity of matrix multiplication, and the closure of the set under multiplication and inverses.

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There is ongoing exploration of the necessary properties for G to be a group. Some participants have provided hints and questions to guide the discussion, while others express confusion about certain aspects, such as the definitions of identity and closure under multiplication.

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Participants note the importance of the elements being from Zp, emphasizing that this affects the properties of the matrices involved. There is also a discussion about the implications of the determinant being non-zero and how this relates to the existence of inverses.

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Homework Statement


Let R be the ring of all 2*2 matrices, over Zp, p a prime. Let G be the set of elements x in the ring R such that det x ≠ 0. Prove that G is a group.


Homework Equations


Matrix is invertible in ring R.


The Attempt at a Solution


Group properties and ring properties are similar I think.
Group and Ring - closure, associativity, identity (zero in Rings?)
Is this how I am supposed to approach the problem? By proving the common properties of a group and ring?
 
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Justabeginner said:
Group properties and ring properties are similar I think.
Group and Ring - closure, associativity, identity (zero in Rings?)
Is this how I am supposed to approach the problem? By proving the common properties of a group and ring?
##G## will be a group under multiplication, not addition. So you can ignore the addition and address the following questions:

1. What is the multiplicative identity? Is it contained in ##G##?
2. Is matrix multiplication associative?
3. Is the set of matrices with nonzero determinant closed under multiplication and inverses?

Hint for part 3: can you prove and apply the identities ##\det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B)## and ##\det(I) = 1##?
 
Justabeginner said:

Homework Statement


Let R be the ring of all 2*2 matrices, over Zp, p a prime. Let G be the set of elements x in the ring R such that det x ≠ 0. Prove that G is a group.


Homework Equations


Matrix is invertible in ring R.


The Attempt at a Solution


Group properties and ring properties are similar I think.
Group and Ring - closure, associativity, identity (zero in Rings?)
Is this how I am supposed to approach the problem? By proving the common properties of a group and ring?

The elements of G already belong to a ring, so these elements already satisfy all of the properties of a ring (which must include an addition operation and a multiplication operation). If you list the properties that a group must satisfy, this should be pretty easy to prove.

Groups are much more basic than rings.
 
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jbunniii said:
##G## will be a group under multiplication, not addition. So you can ignore the addition and address the following questions:

1. What is the multiplicative identity? Is it contained in ##G##?
2. Is matrix multiplication associative?
3. Is the set of matrices with nonzero determinant closed under multiplication and inverses?

Hint for part 3: can you prove and apply the identities ##\det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B)## and ##\det(I) = 1##?

1. Multiplicative identity in a ring is 1, right? But 1 is not in G, because G consists of the set of matrices for which ad - bc ≠ 0, but (1) is not a 2*2 matrix.
2. Yes; [(ab)c]ij = (ab)ik ckj = (ailblk)ckj = ail(blkckj) = ail(bc)lj = [a(bc)]ij
3. Yes, for A= (a b c d), and B= (e f g h), it was proven that det(A)det(B)=det(AB), and det(I)= 1 by 1/ad-bc (ad-bc 0 0 ad-bc) since 1/ad-bc where ad-bc≠0 is the inverse of matrix M. The set is closed.
 
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1. Multiplicative identity in a ring is 1, right? But 1 is not in G, because G consists of the set of matrices for which ad - bc ≠ 0, but (1) is not a 2*2 matrix.
We often use the notation "1" for the multiplicative identity in a ring, but it doesn't have to literally mean the number 1. In this case, the ring consists of 2x2 matrices over ##Z_p##, so if there is an identity, it must be a 2x2 matrix over ##Z_p##. What is the definition of "identity"?

2. Yes; [(ab)c]ij = (ab)ik ckj = (ailblk)ckj = ail(blkckj) = ail(bc)lj = [a(bc)]ij
Seems like there are some ##\sum## symbols missing?
3. Yes, for A= (a b c d), and B= (e f g h), it was proven that det(A)det(B)=det(AB), and det(I)= 1 by 1/ad-bc (ad-bc 0 0 ad-bc) since 1/ad-bc where ad-bc≠0 is the inverse of matrix M. The set is closed.
Where did you use the fact that the matrix elements are from ##Z_p## (where ##p## is prime), as opposed to ##Z_n## for some nonprime integer? Also, can you explain in more detail how you concluded that the set is closed? How do the determinant formulas prove this?
 
jbunniii said:
We often use the notation "1" for the multiplicative identity in a ring, but it doesn't have to literally mean the number 1. In this case, the ring consists of 2x2 matrices over ##Z_p##, so if there is an identity, it must be a 2x2 matrix over ##Z_p##. What is the definition of "identity"?

It means 1*n = n. The identity should be (1 0 0 1).

jbunniii said:
Seems like there are some ##\sum## symbols missing?

Sorry, I completely forgot to insert them.

jbunniii said:
Where did you use the fact that the matrix elements are from ##Z_p## (where ##p## is prime), as opposed to ##Z_n## for some nonprime integer? Also, can you explain in more detail how you concluded that the set is closed? How do the determinant formulas prove this?

I failed to mention that the elements are from Zp, p being a prime. Zp is a field if and only if p is prime, and the properties hold true because of this.
Since the determinant is nonzero, and the inverse has been solved for: Det(M)* I = 1, the set is closed under multiplication and inverses. A group must contain an element and its inverse, which this set of matrices does.
 
Justabeginner said:
Since the determinant is nonzero, and the inverse has been solved for: Det(M)* I = 1
This equation doesn't make any sense. If I is the identity matrix, then the left hand side is a matrix. But the right hand side is (apparently) the scalar 1.
the set is closed under multiplication and inverses.
Why? Suppose that ##A \in G##. You need to explain in detail why ##A^{-1}## exists, and why ##A^{-1} \in G##.

Similarly, suppose that ##A,B \in G##. Why is ##AB \in G##?
 
jbunniii said:
This equation doesn't make any sense. If I is the identity matrix, then the left hand side is a matrix. But the right hand side is (apparently) the scalar 1.

M * M-1 = I. The original matrix times its inverse is equal to the Identity Matrix.

jbunniii said:
Why? Suppose that ##A \in G##. You need to explain in detail why ##A^{-1}## exists, and why ##A^{-1} \in G##.

Similarly, suppose that ##A,B \in G##. Why is ##AB \in G##?

If an element exists, then its inverse must exist because the identity element is always in a group (definition of group).
Groups are always closed under products, as well.
 
Justabeginner said:
M * M-1 = I. The original matrix times its inverse is equal to the Identity Matrix.
1. How do you know that ##M## has an inverse?
2. How do you know that ##\det(M^{-1}) \neq 0##?
If an element exists, then its inverse must exist because the identity element is always in a group (definition of group). Groups are always closed under products, as well.
But your goal is to prove that ##G## is a group. You are effectively arguing that "it's a group because it's a group."
 
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jbunniii said:
1. How do you know that ##M## has an inverse?
2. How do you know that ##\det(M^{-1}) \neq 0##?

M has an inverse because M= (a b c d) has another matrix such that M * (other matrix) = Identity Matrix. We know that the det(M-1) ≠ 0 because det(M) ≠0, and 1/det(M)≠0, ever. This ring is specifically an integral domain, I believe.

jbunniii said:
But your goal is to prove that ##G## is a group. You are effectively arguing that "it's a group because it's a group."

The property of a ring is closure under multiplication and identity exists.
So since the ring is a subgroup of the M(2*2) then it is a group itself.
 
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Justabeginner said:
M has an inverse because M= (a b c d) has another matrix such that M * (other matrix) = Identity Matrix.
How do you know this is true? It would not be true if the matrix elements were from ##Z_n## where ##n## is not prime.
We know that the det(M-1) ≠ 0 because det(M) ≠0, and 1/det(M)≠0, ever.
OK, so you're using ##\det(M)\det(M^{-1}) = \det(M M^{-1}) = \det(I) = 1##. You need to state this more explicitly.
This ring is specifically an integral domain, I believe.
An integral domain is commutative by definition. Matrix multiplication is not commutative.
The property of a ring is closure under multiplication and identity exists.
So since the ring is a subgroup of the M(2*2) then it is a group itself.
What ring is a subgroup of ##M_{2\times 2}##? I'm not following your logic. You need to explain why ##G## is closed under multiplication. If ##A## and ##B## are two matrices with nonzero determinant, what can you say about ##\det(AB)##?
 
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jbunniii said:
What ring is a subgroup of ##M_{2\times 2}##? I'm not following your logic. You need to explain why ##G## is closed under multiplication. If ##A## and ##B## are two matrices with nonzero determinant, what can you say about ##\det(AB)##?

If Det(A) ≠0 and Det(B)≠0, then Det(AB)≠0 too.
 
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Justabeginner said:
If Det(A) ≠0 and Det(B)≠0, then Det(AB)≠0 too.
...because ##\det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B)##. And how do you know that if ##\det(A)## and ##\det(B)## are nonzero, then so is ##\det(A)\det(B)##? Keep in mind that we are working in ##Z_p##, not the real numbers, so you have to justify what may seem like standard facts. Again, this would not be true in ##Z_n## for nonprime ##n##.
 
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jbunniii said:
...because ##\det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B)##. And how do you know that if ##\det(A)## and ##\det(B)## are nonzero, then so is ##\det(A)\det(B)##? Keep in mind that we are working in ##Z_p##, not the real numbers, so you have to justify what may seem like standard facts. Again, this would not be true in ##Z_n## for nonprime ##n##.

For A, B in Zp, where p is prime, Det(A)Det(B) = Det(AB).
 
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Justabeginner said:
For A, B in Zp, where p is prime, Det(A)Det(B) = Det(AB).

No, it's true for every matrix ring that \det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B). The question here is: if \det(A) and \det(B) are both non-zero, is it necessarily the case that \det(A)\det(B) is non-zero?

This is equivalent to showing that, for a \in \mathbb{Z}_p and b \in \mathbb{Z}_p, if a \neq 0 and b \neq 0 then ab \neq 0.

This isn't true for general \mathbb{Z}_n: for example in \mathbb{Z}_{10} we have 2 \times 5 = 0. So what's special about \mathbb{Z}_p for prime p?

EDIT: You may also at some point want to make use of the fact that in any ring of 2x2 matrices, <br /> \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix} d &amp; -b \\ -c &amp; a \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \begin{pmatrix} ad - bc &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; ad - bc \end{pmatrix}<br /> and <br /> \det \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix} = ad - bc.<br />
 
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pasmith said:
EDIT: You may also at some point want to make use of the fact that in any ring of 2x2 matrices, <br /> \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix} d &amp; -b \\ -c &amp; a \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \begin{pmatrix} ad - bc &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; ad - bc \end{pmatrix}<br /> and <br /> \det \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix} = ad - bc.<br />

Is G, technically the non-abelian group GL(2, R)? I approached this problem in that manner.
 

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