Proof of Inequality Between Lower and Upper Bounds

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The discussion centers around the convergence of a series defined as ∑a_{n} where the limit of the sequence a_{n} is a non-zero value L. The original poster is exploring whether there are sufficient conditions that can be applied to the terms a_{n} or their sum to ensure the convergence of the modified series ∑(a_{n} - L) without directly referencing the limit L.

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  • The original poster attempts to identify conditions that might lead to convergence without involving the limit L directly. They consider properties like monotonicity and non-negativity of the sequence. Other participants question the clarity of the problem and suggest applying known convergence tests to the modified series. There is also mention of the Criterion of Abel as a potential avenue for exploration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts on the nature of the problem and possible approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of convergence tests, but no consensus has been reached on a specific condition that guarantees convergence.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about techniques for handling divergent series and is open to references for further reading. There is a lack of explicit conditions or established results that directly address the posed question.

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Convergence of Divergent Series Whose Sequence Has a Limit

Homework Statement


Suppose ∑a_{n} is a series with lim a_{n} = L ≠ 0. Obviously this diverges since L ≠ 0. Suppose we make the new series, ∑(a_{n} - L). My question is this: is there some sufficient condition we could put solely on a_{n} (or maybe its sum) without calculating the limit or referencing it other than the existence of a limit so that the new series converges?

Homework Equations


I can't think of anything here; I could list all of the convergence tests from Ch. 3 of Baby Rudin but doesn't seem wholly relevant with the way I phrased the question. Feels like this is probably something trivial from some higher level analysis course or analytic number theory course that I haven't had the chance to take yet.

There's one thing that seems possibly relevant (from Rudin):
Theorem Suppose a_{1}≥a_{2}≥a_{3}≥...≥0. Then the series ∑a_{n} converges if and only if the series ∑2^{k}a_{2^{k}} converges.

The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't know how to approach this without introducing the L somehow into the proof which isn't what I really wish to explore.

I thought to make some simple conditions first to try and reduce the nature of the problem, like making the sequence monotonic and non-negative. With the theorem, I was thinking of maybe introducing some sort of scaling maybe with the 2^{k} factor? I don't know.

I think the root test gives convergence for 0 < L < 1, but what about for L > 1? But this sort of references the limit.
 
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muzak said:

Homework Statement


Suppose ∑a_{n} is a series with lim a_{n} = L ≠ 0. Obviously this diverges since L ≠ 0. Suppose we make the new series, ∑(a_{n} - L). My question is this: is there some sufficient condition we could put solely on a_{n} (or maybe its sum) without calculating the limit or referencing it other than the existence of a limit so that the new series converges?

That's a pretty vague question. Is this an actual book problem or a question you invented yourself? I don't see any reason why there would be such a simple condition. Well, obviously you can try all the series tests you've seen and adapt it to this case. But I don't really know what kind of answer you want here.
 
Invented. Just curious if there exists any such condition to give convergence. I don't know anything about techniques to deal with divergent series, so I'd be satisfied with any specific reference material in lieu of some answer.
 
Alright, thanks. Messed up the title of this thread but think I corrected it. Guess I can't fix the thread title, ah well.

Criterion of Abel looks promising maybe:
The criterion of Abel
Let ∑+∞n=0an be a (real or complex) convergent series . Let (vn)n be a bounded sequence of real numbers which is either nondecreasing or nonincreasing. Then the sequence ∑+∞n=0vnan converges.

v_{n} could be the a_{n} and would have to figure out some convergent sequence so that the product equals (L - a_{n}).
 
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