Convergence of a recursive sequence

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a recursive sequence defined by the relation \( a_{n+1} = \frac{1 + a_n^2}{2} \) with an initial term \( a_1 \in \mathbb{N} \). Participants explore whether the sequence converges and under what conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the implications of the sequence converging to a limit \( L \) and discuss specific cases based on the value of \( a_1 \). There is a focus on whether the sequence can converge to values other than 1, particularly when \( a_1 \ge 2 \). Some participants suggest demonstrating that \( a_{n+1} > a_n \) for all \( n \) as part of the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the original poster's claims about convergence. Some have pointed out that a sequence can be bounded below yet still converge, indicating a need for further clarification on the conditions for convergence in this context. There is acknowledgment of the need to show specific properties of the sequence.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that \( a_1 \) is a natural number and are exploring the implications of this constraint on the convergence of the sequence. There is a noted discrepancy regarding the convergence to 1 and the behavior of the sequence when starting from different initial values.

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Homework Statement


With ##a_1\in\mathbb{N}## given, define ##\displaystyle {\{a_n\}_{n=1}^\infty}\subset\mathbb{R}## by ##\displaystyle {a_{n+1}:=\frac{1+a_n^2}{2}}##, for all ##n\in\mathbb{N}##.

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We claim that with ##a_1 \in \mathbb{N}##, the sequence does not necessarily converge. First, we note that if the sequence did converge to ##L##, then ##L = \frac{L^2+1}{2} \implies (L-1)^2=0 \implies L=1## (we used the fact that since ##(a_{n+1})## is a subsequence of ##(a_n)##, ##\lim a_n = \lim a_{n+1} = L##). We now split the proof up into two cases:Case 1: ##a_1=1##. In this case, for all positive integers ##n##, ##a_n = 1##. Hence ##\lim a_n = 1##.

Case 2: ##a_1 \ge 2##. First, we show that ##(a_n)## is bounded below by 2. That is, we want to show that ##\forall n \in \mathbb{N}##, ##a_n \ge 2##. We proceed by induction. The base case clearly holds. Suppose that for some ##k \in \mathbb{N}## we have ##a_k \ge 2##. Then ##a_{k+1} = \frac{a_k^2+1}{2} \ge \frac{4+1}{2} = \frac{5}{2} \ge 2##. So the sequence is bounded below by ##2##. Hence, the sequence does not converge, for if it did, the terms of the sequence would get arbitrarily close to ##1## for large ##n##.
 
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The sequence ##(3,3,3,3,3, \ldots)## is bounded from below by ##2##, yet it converges. You should show ##a_{n+1}>a_n## for all ##n## and ##a_1>1\,.##
 
fresh_42 said:
The sequence ##(3,3,3,3,3, \ldots)## is bounded from below by ##2##, yet it converges. You should show ##a_{n+1}>a_n## for all ##n## and ##a_1>1\,.##
But the sequence ##(3,3,3,3, \dots)## does not converge to ##1##. What I thought I showed was that if the sequence did converge, it would have to converge to ##1##, and that in the case that ##a_1 \ge 2##, the sequence is bounded below by 2, and so couldn't possibly converge to ##1##. Hence it doesn't necessarily converge with ##a_1 \in \mathbb{N}##.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
But the sequence ##(3,3,3,3, \dots)## does not converge to ##1##. What I thought I showed was that if the sequence did converge, it would have to converge to ##1##, and that in the case that ##a_1 \ge 2##, the sequence is bounded below by 2, and so couldn't possibly converge to ##1##. Hence it doesn't necessarily converge with ##a_1 \in \mathbb{N}##.
You're right. I forgot this. Btw., the same argument as for ##L=1## also shows ##a_{n+1}>a_n\,.##
 

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