Proof of maximum no. of electrons in a shell

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The discussion focuses on the proof of the maximum number of electrons in the nth shell of an atom, expressed as 2n². It explores theoretical underpinnings, assumptions, and deviations from the formula, particularly in the context of hydrogen-like atoms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the proof of the 2n² formula for electron capacity in atomic shells.
  • Another participant mentions solving the Schrödinger equation for a hydrogen atom as a relevant approach.
  • A later reply specifies that the formula assumes hydrogen-like shells and discusses the factor of 2 related to electron spin, noting that each orbital can hold two electrons.
  • It is explained that there are n² orbitals in each shell, with a breakdown of nodes and orbital types (s, p, d, f) based on quantum numbers.
  • One participant asserts that a rigorous proof for 2n² would require solving the Schrödinger equation, which is deemed mathematically impossible for atoms beyond hydrogen.
  • Another participant highlights the relationship between the energetic ordering of orbitals and the number of nodes, referencing hidden symmetries.
  • One participant suggests examining experimental ionization potentials in relation to the Schrödinger equation solutions for hydrogen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the proof and applicability of the 2n² formula, with some acknowledging its limitations and assumptions, while others propose alternative perspectives and methods of exploration. No consensus is reached regarding the proof's validity or the implications of deviations from the formula.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about hydrogen-like atoms and the mathematical complexities involved in solving the Schrödinger equation for multi-electron systems. The relationship between nodes and orbital types is also noted but remains unexplored in full detail.

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how do you prove that the maximum no. of electrons in the nth shell of an atom is twice of n squared (2n^2)
 
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Solving Schrödinger equation for a hydrogen atom.
 
thanks
^_^
 
To be a bit more specific: The formula 2n^2 is based on the assumption that the shells are hydrogen like. There are deviations from this rule.
The factor 2 is due to the fact that each orbital can carry at most two electrons, one with spin up, the other with spin down.
So we have to explain why there are n^2 orbitals in each shell.
It is a peculiarity of the hydrogen atom that all orbitals having the same number of node surfaces have the same energy. There are radial nodes and spherical nodes. All orbitals in a given shell have n-1 nodes. The number of spherical nodes fixes whether we speak of an s, p, d, or f orbital. The number of spherical nodes is equal to the quantum number l with l=0 corresponding to s, l=1 to p etc. There are 2l+1 orbitals with the same value of l. So if e.g. n=4 the orbitals have 3 nodes. There are the following possibilities
# radial nodes #spherical nodes=l name multiplicity=2l+1
0 3 f 7
1 2 d 5
2 1 p 3
3 0 s 1

You can check that the sum of the multiplicities is 16=n^2.
In general ##\sum_{l=0}^{n-1}(2l+1)=n^2##
as Kolmogorow, the father of modern statistics, realized as a 5 year old boy.
 
The only rigorous proof for 2n^2 would be to solve the SE for the atom which is mathematically impossible. Not even the helium atom admits a complete solution.
 
Certainly. However, I think it is quite nice that in case of the H atom the energetic ordering of the orbitals depends only on the number of nodes (which can be traced back to the hidden SO(4) symmetry).
Is there a pedagogical way of making plausible that there are 2l+1independent spherical harmonics with given l?
 
Look at the experimental ionization potentials and note the pattern. Compare to the solution of the SE for the hydrogen atom.
 

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