Proof of Multiplicative Property of Absolute Values

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the multiplicative property of absolute values, specifically the equation |ab| = |a||b|. Participants explore various methods of proof, including case analysis and algebraic manipulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests breaking the proof into cases based on the signs of a and b, outlining the first two cases where both are non-negative or one is negative.
  • Another participant provides an algebraic proof using the property of square roots and squares to demonstrate the equality.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definition of absolute values, particularly regarding negative inputs, leading to a discussion about the implications of |a| = -a when a < 0.
  • A later reply clarifies that when a < 0, -a is indeed positive, contributing to the understanding of absolute values.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment of the complexity of the concept, with one participant commenting on the clarity of the graph of y = |x|.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the multiplicative property but present different methods of proof. There is some confusion and debate regarding the interpretation of absolute values, particularly for negative numbers, indicating unresolved conceptual differences.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of absolute values and the behavior of negative numbers are not explicitly stated, which may lead to misunderstandings. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the topic.

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Hi does anyone know a proof for the multiplicative propery of absolute values

i.e. Prove |ab|=|a||b|
 
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How about doing exactly what you always do with absolute values: break it into cases.

1) If [itex]a\ge 0[/itex] and [itex]b\ge 0[/itex]
Then [itex]ab\ge 0[/itex] so |ab|= ab while |a|= a, |b|= b. ab= (a)(b) so |ab|= |a||b|.

2) If [itex]a\ge 0[/itex] while b< 0
The [itex]ab\le 0[/itex] so |ab|= -ab while |a|= a, |b|= -b. -ab= (a)(-b) so |ab|= |a||b|.

Can you do the other two cases?
 
Thanks halls!
 
My book uses the following proof:

[tex] \left| {ab} \right| = \sqrt {(ab)^2 } = \sqrt {a^2 b^2 } = \sqrt {a^2 } \sqrt {b^2 } = \left| a \right|\left| b \right|[/tex]
 
Well, if you want to do it the easy way!
 
I still find |a|=-a when a<0 weird! Surely if a = -a, |-a| = a
 
When a<0, -a is positive.
 
coverband said:
I still find |a|=-a when a<0 weird! Surely if a = -a, |-a| = a
Yes that's true. Because if a= -a, then a= 0!

Are you sure that's what you meant to say?
 
Big-T said:
When a<0, -a is positive.

Yeah I think when you look at the graph of y=|x| it becomes clear (as mud)!
 

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