Proof of r'(t) x r''(t) = ||r'(t)||^2 · (T(t) x T'(t))

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The problem involves proving a vector identity related to the derivatives of a vector function, specifically showing that the cross product of the first and second derivatives can be expressed in terms of the tangent vector and its derivative. The subject area pertains to vector calculus and differential geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating the expression for r'(t) and the implications of applying the product rule. There is confusion regarding the simplification of the resulting expressions and the correct application of vector identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem and the necessary steps to reach the desired result. There is a mix of suggestions and clarifications regarding the differentiation process and the use of the product rule.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need to consider that |r'(t)| is a function of t, which affects how it should be treated during differentiation. There is also mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of the cross product.

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Homework Statement


We know that T(t) = r'(t)/||r'(t)||, or equivalently, r'(t) = ||r'(t)||·T(t). Differentiate this equation to find r''(t), then show that

r'(t) x r''(t) = ||r'(t)||^2 · (T(t) x T'(t)).


Homework Equations


r''(t) = ||r'(t)||'·T(t) + T'(t)·||r'(t)||


The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to get as far the differentiation above but from there I got stuck. I attempted to cross both sides, which I'm pretty sure needs to be done, but I'm confused how to get the right side of the equation to simplify to the desired form. Any help would be greatly appreciated...Thanks a lot
 
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Actually I don't see any puzzle here. Are you sure this is what the question is asking for? All you have to do is to differentiate r'(t)=|r'(t)|T(t) to get r''(t)=|r'(t)|T'(t). Then simply do the cross product for r'(t) and r''(t) from the above 2 expressions. You should get the answer as shown.
 
Use the fact that the cross product of a vector with itself is zero.

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Defennnder said:
Actually I don't see any puzzle here. Are you sure this is what the question is asking for? All you have to do is to differentiate r'(t)=|r'(t)|T(t) to get r''(t)=|r'(t)|T'(t). Then simply do the cross product for r'(t) and r''(t) from the above 2 expressions. You should get the answer as shown.
No. r''(t) is not |r'(t)|T'(t). Since |r'(t)| is a function of t itself you have to use the product rule.
 
Oh, yeah. I kept thinking |r'(t)| could be treated as a constant.
 

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